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Old 10-30-2005, 09:22 PM
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Here is another way you can think of the two Secrets of Golf.

The first secret, Sustaining the Line of Compression, concerns the Geometry of the Stroke.

The second secret, Sustaining Clubhead Lag, concerns the Physics of the Stroke.
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Old 10-30-2005, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
Here is another way you can think of the two Secrets of Golf.

The first secret, Sustaining the Line of Compression, concerns the Geometry of the Stroke.

The second secret, Sustaining Clubhead Lag, concerns the Physics of the Stroke.
I don't wish to get into a contest over this topic, but it seems to me that the questions I asked are proper in seeking further understanding especially when it comes down to statements that indicate Homer indeed selected a component variation that requires compensation instead of selecting one that didn't for a pattern. Given that Homer understood what he was doing, there must be a combination that doesn't require compensation and provides a solid effective golf stroke. The heart of my quesiton is 'angled hinging' use what to not require a compensation move and be effective. I understand that a compensation would be something 'extra' or additional to make up for a deficency the way Homer used it.

So I guess the search continues unless someone can maybe clear this up, back it up, or change it.

By the way I thought I understood line of compression and clubhead lag, I just didn't understand the hinging with respect to line of compression as it was being stated, still don't.
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Old 11-04-2005, 07:51 AM
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The heart of my quesiton is 'angled hinging' use what to not require a compensation move and be effective. I understand that a compensation would be something 'extra' or additional to make up for a deficency the way Homer used it.
Martee...

Keep in mind that in angled hinging the clubface is staying open to the plane...versus horizontal in which it is constantly closing. So...in angled, the motion has no true center.

Not sure about the 'compensation' per se...but it may be this. To offset the layback requires that the clubface be closed at fix to offset the slice inducing tendency.

Horizontal hinging has no such tendency because the face is constantly closing in relation to the inclined plane.

Hope this helps.

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I don't wish to get into a contest over this topic, but it seems to me that the questions I asked are proper in seeking further understanding especially when it comes down to statements that indicate Homer indeed selected a component variation that requires compensation instead of selecting one that didn't for a pattern. Given that Homer understood what he was doing, there must be a combination that doesn't require compensation and provides a solid effective golf stroke. The heart of my quesiton is 'angled hinging' use what to not require a compensation move and be effective. I understand that a compensation would be something 'extra' or additional to make up for a deficency the way Homer used it.

So I guess the search continues unless someone can maybe clear this up, back it up, or change it.

By the way I thought I understood line of compression and clubhead lag, I just didn't understand the hinging with respect to line of compression as it was being stated, still don't.
That's why if you're using Angled Hinging and you want to hit a perfectly straight shot with no side spin, it's going to be a pull shot. Clubface needs to be closed at Impact (the longer the club implies longer impact interval which means clubface more closed) to allow for the 'opening'.

But I'm not sure if Homer viewed that as a proper 'compensation' (e.g. trying to steer clubface to by bending left wrist). Like you said, the 12-1 and 12-2 Basic Patterns are supposed to be uncompensated strokes.
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