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Old 10-31-2005, 10:41 PM
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It's not so much a case of parts of TGM that don't work as the whole, as Ballard working much better. I read TGM many times, marked the sections that seemed to pretain to my swing, tried to execute, but saw no improvement.I'm not a beginner, having had a handicap between +1 and -2 most of my life.

The snap release led to hooks for me, as it does/did for Els, Hogan and Sergio.

By the way, Ballard says the best golf swing in the world belongs to Annika Sorenstam--another sweep release player, if I'm not mistaken. Her swing seems to adhere to all of Ballard's principles closely.

My son is a PGA head club pro and he guided me to Ballard. No one has ever taught me TGM swing--attempted self learning.

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I had the opportunity to watch Annika up close at the LPGA championship, I managed the driving range for the tournament last June...to me...it looked like Annika is not a full sweep releaser but a random sweep releaser with a shoulder turn throw...like a 10-24-C release with a 10-20-C and 10-20-E combination trigger types. If I didn't use the right arm swing, I would be using that type of swinging stroke pattern.

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Old 10-31-2005, 10:55 PM
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Tex,

Hogan used a Snap Release throughout the successful half of his career....

....in fact, I don't think I've EVER seen a swing of Hogan where he wasn't using a Snap Release.

He didn't hook it later on in his career, I'll tell you that....

By generally saying, "later on in his career," I mean when he was the Hogan everyone knows....the "one of the greatest ballstrikers of all time" Ben Hogan.....

The Ben Hogan who, as Moe Norman said, "was the only other guy who hit it on my (Moe's) level."

The guy who arguably reached the highest level of pure skill of any golfer ever.

He didn't hook it! Snap Release.

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Old 10-31-2005, 11:04 PM
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And if anything....I'd have to think that having a Snap Release would LESSEN your chances for a hook....

.....if anything.

But- Clubface is not Release Point, as far as I can see.

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Old 10-31-2005, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by birdie_man
And if anything....I'd have to think that having a Snap Release would LESSEN your chances for a hook....

.....if anything......

Clubface is not Release Point, as far as I can see.

From my experience with Snap releasing I agree with birdie_man...

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Old 11-01-2005, 08:28 PM
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Tex,

Hogan used a Snap Release throughout the successful half of his career....

....in fact, I don't think I've EVER seen a swing of Hogan where he wasn't using a Snap Release.

He didn't hook it later on in his career, I'll tell you that....

By generally saying, "later on in his career," I mean when he was the Hogan everyone knows....the "one of the greatest ballstrikers of all time" Ben Hogan.....

The Ben Hogan who, as Moe Norman said, "was the only other guy who hit it on my (Moe's) level."

The guy who arguably reached the highest level of pure skill of any golfer ever.

He didn't hook it! Snap Release.
Oh come on! Everyone knows that Hogan stopped his hook by taking enormous counter measures. The weakest grip in history and cocking his wrists so that the clubface was so open at the top he couldn't get the face closed no matter how hard he swung. In fact, he says he hit it better the harder he swung--meaning he almost got the face squared up. Only his tremendous athleticism and continuous practice allowed him to swing this way successfully.

If Hogan's swing was so perfect, how come nobody swings that way today?

The major fault or bad swing error for both Els and Sergio is absolutely a hook. Els tries to prevent it with slowed down swing timing and Sergio prevents it with very rapid leg and hip drive in the downswing. Both basically move the ball right to left all the time.

All IMHO.

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Old 11-01-2005, 11:37 PM
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I don't wanna get into anything else about Hogan....

I'm just addressing how you said his Snap release led to hooks when it clearly didn't.

I don't care how much he opened his face as a "counter measure"....I don't care if "no one else can swing like Hogan" (*cough* bullshit....anything's possible).....

I just can't see how having a Snap Release would cause hooks.....it doesn't make sense to me at all.

Clubface causes hooks....so Hogan changed that.

And like I said.....from what I can gather I'd think a Snap Release would make it harder to hook.

....I don't know this for sure, but it makes sense in my head.

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Originally Posted by birdie_man
I don't wanna get into anything else about Hogan....

I'm just addressing how you said his Snap release led to hooks when it clearly didn't.

I don't care how much he opened his face as a "counter measure"....I don't care if "no one else can swing like Hogan" (*cough* bullshit....anything's possible).....

I just can't see how having a Snap Release would cause hooks.....it doesn't make sense to me at all.

Clubface causes hooks....so Hogan changed that.

And like I said.....from what I can gather I'd think a Snap Release would make it harder to hook.

....I don't know this for sure, but it makes sense in my head.
I've got no quarrel with a snap release. Certainly many great players use it.

I only pointed out that Nicklaus, Woods and Sorenstam use a sweep release.

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