[quote=YodasLuke]I'll answer both, if I may...
I decided to go to hitting because of the feel of angled hinging. I had been taught to swing with angled hinging, which was a disastrous combination. And the thought of a start-up swivel and release swivel made me . [quote]
Hi Ted...
Just curious...
Do you feel your improvement is due to hitting being more compatible with angled hinging (perhaps your feel preference) or due to your overall motion - meaning, its not necessarily the angled hinging piece, but just that hitting fits you better.
I ask because sometimes I feel Homer spoke in absolutes and of course perfection in alignments - which I am all for. However, I personally feel people shouldnt get too carried away on alot of the components (I'm in trouble now!)...and should always allow for psychological preferences.
There are a ton of swingers on tour using angled hinging. Just curious as to your thoughts on why the change has worked so well for you.
[quote=phillygolf][quote=YodasLuke]I'll answer both, if I may...
I decided to go to hitting because of the feel of angled hinging. I had been taught to swing with angled hinging, which was a disastrous combination. And the thought of a start-up swivel and release swivel made me .
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Hi Ted...
Just curious...
Do you feel your improvement is due to hitting being more compatible with angled hinging (perhaps your feel preference) or due to your overall motion - meaning, its not necessarily the angled hinging piece, but just that hitting fits you better.
I ask because sometimes I feel Homer spoke in absolutes and of course perfection in alignments - which I am all for. However, I personally feel people shouldnt get too carried away on alot of the components (I'm in trouble now!)...and should always allow for psychological preferences.
There are a ton of swingers on tour using angled hinging. Just curious as to your thoughts on why the change has worked so well for you.
Thanks.
In my own game, I wanted structure, minimal body participation, and to be "so darn accurate", as Homer said. I knew in my heart of hearts that all of this turn, turn, turn crap had something that was not right. I just didn't know what it was until Yoda explained TGM to me. I was being taught pivot controlled hands, and I felt like a spaz. As a result, I was tracing the arc of approach (not recommended). It really saddens me that there are so many instructors out there that teach band-aid after band-aid with no regard to root causes of problems. TGM's just "too complicated." To that, Homer said, "making golf instruction simple makes it incomplete."
As far as the Tour, I think that there are many out there that are great in spite of instruction. Many use Hogan as a model in teaching, and instead of teaching alignments, they try to mimic his motion. That's fine as long as you know his history. Many say that Hogan was able to hook a SW 50 yards. He hated the fact that he hooked it so far. For numerous reasons (grip being paramount), he had a natural hook that wouldn't quit. Everything he did in his motion was designed to keep the ball from hooking. So, if a player comes to you that slices the ball off the planet, do you sit him down and teach him Hogan's Five Lessons? I've worked with hundreds of juniors and I've seen the evolution of students under many other instructors. Most start with a slice, the better kids learn eventually how to hook it. Then, they spend the rest of their lives trying to keep it from hooking (swinging with angled hinging.) Additionally, swinging is the only thing being taught in modern instruction. Hitting became a lost art when Homer died. It's our blessing that Yoda came back to the golfing world, and BOLDLY said, "there are TWO patterns." He's such a non-conformist.
The way that I built my pattern was by taking everything that was moving and made it stop. I first took the pivot completely out. I kept my head stationary. I made my left wrist stay flat in a basic motion. And, began with a one accumulator stroke (#1). As far as the changing of components, change one at a time and make it yours. Trying to change multiple components will be anyone's downfall.
I'll answer both, if I may...
I decided to go to hitting because of the feel of angled hinging. I had been taught to swing with angled hinging, which was a disastrous combination. And the thought of a start-up swivel and release swivel made me .
In my own game, I wanted structure, minimal body participation, and to be "so darn accurate", as Homer said. I knew in my heart of hearts that all of this turn, turn, turn crap had something that was not right. I just didn't know what it was until Yoda explained TGM to me. I was being taught pivot controlled hands, and I felt like a spaz. As a result, I was tracing the arc of approach (not recommended). It really saddens me that there are so many instructors out there that teach band-aid after band-aid with no regard to root causes of problems. TGM's just "too complicated." To that, Homer said, "making golf instruction simple makes it incomplete."
As far as the Tour, I think that there are many out there that are great in spite of instruction. Many use Hogan as a model in teaching, and instead of teaching alignments, they try to mimic his motion. That's fine as long as you know his history. Many say that Hogan was able to hook a SW 50 yards. He hated the fact that he hooked it so far. For numerous reasons (grip being paramount), he had a natural hook that wouldn't quit. Everything he did in his motion was designed to keep the ball from hooking. So, if a player comes to you that slices the ball off the planet, do you sit him down and teach him Hogan's Five Lessons? I've worked with hundreds of juniors and I've seen the evolution of students under many other instructors. Most start with a slice, the better kids learn eventually how to hook it. Then, they spend the rest of their lives trying to keep it from hooking (swinging with angled hinging.) Additionally, swinging is the only thing being taught in modern instruction. Hitting became a lost art when Homer died. It's our blessing that Yoda came back to the golfing world, and BOLDLY said, "there are TWO patterns." He's such a non-conformist.
The way that I built my pattern was by taking everything that was moving and made it stop. I first took the pivot completely out. I kept my head stationary. I made my left wrist stay flat in a basic motion. And, began with a one accumulator stroke (#1). As far as the changing of components, change one at a time and make it yours. Trying to change multiple components will be anyone's downfall.
...Yoda came back to the golfing world, and BOLDLY said, "there are TWO patterns."
And in the Stroke Patterns, 12-1-0 is Hitting and 12-2-0 is Swinging.
This does not mean that Hitting is better than Swinging. It does mean that Hitting is a bonafide way of moving a Golf Club through Impact. And almost everybody starts off that way: Hitting the Ball with the Right Arm. And that is why TGM was originally presented as a Right Arm-based System.
Over time, Homer Kelley came to see the distinct differences between Left Arm Centrifugal Throw-Out Action and Right Arm Muscular Drive-Out Action. Body Momentum Transfer into Left Arm Pull or Right Triceps Drive into Right Arm Push.
The way that I built my pattern was by taking everything that was moving and made it stop. I first took the pivot completely out. I kept my head stationary. I made my left wrist stay flat in a basic motion. And, began with a one accumulator stroke (#1). As far as the changing of components, change one at a time and make it yours. Trying to change multiple components will be anyone's downfall.
Ted, I've recently begun a conversion to hitting myself, after trying the technique with chipping and finding success I never imagined possible (I think hitting may just be a better "fit" for me because good contact seemed to come so much more naturally and with much less effort (physical and mental) than a couple of years of swinging did). I'm looking forward to the journey.
I feel like I'm at the point you describe in your quote above... I've become real comfortable with the short basic motion you describe above and even been able to extend a bit further back to hit low iron shots out of trouble. What are your recommendations for taking the next step in developing my hitting stroke? I'm conscious of the difficulty with (and my temptation to) changing too many components at once and after reading this thought I'd pick your brain regarding what aspects of the hit I should work on after getting a handle on the basic motion (also, the role of the wrist cock in the hitting stroke is not entirely clear to me so). Thanks!
What are your recommendations for taking the next step in developing my hitting stroke? I'm conscious of the difficulty with (and my temptation to) changing too many components at once and after reading this thought I'd pick your brain regarding what aspects of the hit I should work on after getting a handle on the basic motion (also, the role of the wrist cock in the hitting stroke is not entirely clear to me so). Thanks!
I'll tell you something that always helps me return to great ball striking. Sometimes I don't play golf or practice for 7 or more days. I have a five month old that takes a lot of time, but I wouldn't trade that time for anything.
The thing that gets me back on track immediately is going to total motion (stopping at top) and taking about five seconds to execute the stroke. It's the epitome of DELIBERATE (3-F-6). Going at that speed, you can monitor everything. Also, it gives you a great feel for release. I try to make the downstroke last as long as possible, but still hit the ball with some force. The shorter you want to hit it, the lighter the club feels. The longer you want to hit it, the heavier it feels. You'll get to where you can hit a total motion, 20 yard floater. Keep making it bigger until you have the distance you want. Over acceleration is the killer.
As far as wrist cock goes, 7-3 says "Bending and Straightening of the Right Elbow will RAISE AND LOWER the Left Arm and/or COCK AND UNCOCK the Left Wrist, without Bending, Flattening, or Cocking the right wrist." The amount of wrist cock that you need will occur if the right arm bends and the right wrist doesn't cock. As a hitter, we have the luxury of simultaneous release, all of which occurs from the proper use of the right elbow. Don't sweat wrist cock.
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