<<I bet you asking why would he not use a zero shift>>
No, it is not a requirement. I just wanted to know what benefit it is to locate the TSP if he was not doing anything with it and it appeared to me that he wasn't.
BTW, is there something about entering impact on the elbow plane that improves "ball striking?" I believe this is also reflected with Trevino and Ben teaches a through the waist plane.
<<I bet you asking why would he not use a zero shift>>
Not at all! It is not a requirement. I just wanted to know what benefit it is to locate the TSP if he was not doing anything with it and it appeared to me that he wasn't.
DRW
Has he not located the Turned Shoulder Plane with both the Club and his hands in Frame #4???...Perhaps I'm not reading your point correctly!!!! He just locates the Turned Shoulder Plane as a result of over-lengthening his stroke via a double shift...If he hits Cut shots I've seen him use Single Shift...rather than the pics posted here...I'll try to post some different pics of him using a different procedure....For Comparison!!!
I think the primary benefit is Maximum participation and Range of Motion of the Power Package Components are utlized which gives perhaps better performance characteristics of the other Plane Angles and their Variations...
Has he not located the Turned Shoulder Plane with both the Club and his hands in Frame #4???...Perhaps I'm not reading your point correctly!!!! He just locates the Turned Shoulder Plane as a result of over-lengthening his stroke via a double shift...If he hits Cut shots I've seen him use Single Shift...rather than the pics posted here...I'll try to post some different pics of him using a different procedure....For Comparison!!!
I think the primary benefit is Maximum participation and Range of Motion of the Power Package Components are utlized which gives perhaps better performance characteristics of the other Plane Angles and their Variations...
Brandle Chamblee made an interesting point the other night on TGC. He suggest that swinging on a single plane was not advisable. He was talking about that Hardy dude's version of single plane which based on the Yellow Book ain't single plane but whatever. Anyway the point he was making was this . . .
If you swing in a single plane with no Shift, it will be physically difficult to trace the plane precisely everytime particularly in the heat of competition. So he advised that a Plane Shift was a good thing becaused if you know you are going to shift planes (over or under) everytime then your resulting ball flight will be more predictible. Examples Lee Buck push cut, Bruce Leaky pull cut, etc. Where as if you do not shift planes then you could be a little under or a little over resulting in a unpredictible ball flight.
It does sort of make sense. I've always fretted about what I understand is my "double-shift to the elbow plane" (a little like Sergio's old move). One of the best things I did was have Brian M look at a video of my swing. After he told me to not worry about the double-shift I got back to just "swinging" and not constantly fiddling with trying to eliminate that shift. My ball-strking has been really good the last few months and I don't spend all my practice time trying to eliminate what seems to be my natural motion. That equates to more short game time and I feel like I'm playing to my zero handicap again.
I still think there is more precision to be had in my swing, but it doesn't consume me like it used to.
It does sort of make sense. I've always fretted about what I understand is my "double-shift to the elbow plane" (a little like Sergio's old move). One of the best things I did was have Brian M look at a video of my swing. After he told me to not worry about the double-shift I got back to just "swinging" and not constantly fiddling with trying to eliminate that shift. My ball-strking has been really good the last few months and I don't spend all my practice time trying to eliminate what seems to be my natural motion. That equates to more short game time and I feel like I'm playing to my zero handicap again.
I still think there is more precision to be had in my swing, but it doesn't consume me like it used to.
My thinking would be that assuming one has a properly educated set of hands . . . may be a Plane Shift can be a good thing. If you know that you are gonna be "under" everytime, things would be a bit easier to predict. You could be more "under" sometimes but at least you know it's some degree of "under" EVERYTIME.
This is all assuming effective Clubface control via apporpriate Hinge Action.
My thinking would be that assuming one has a properly educated set of hands . . . may be a Plane Shift can be a good thing. If you know that you are gonna be "under" everytime, things would be a bit easier to predict. You could be more "under" sometimes but at least you know it's some degree of "under" EVERYTIME.
This is all assuming effective Clubface control via apporpriate Hinge Action.
Exactly. I know that I'm going to be "under" some 99% of the time (verrrrry rarely do I get "over"), so there's predictability in that part of the downswing motion. My hands have gotten much more educated over the last couple of years which is key as you stated. Over-acceleration and/or "adding" are my primary concerns now. If you're a swinger I think even if you're "under" it some, as long as you don't interfere with CF (and you have rhythm), your result will be "negotiable".
Exactly. I know that I'm going to be "under" some 99% of the time (verrrrry rarely do I get "over"), so there's predictability in that part of the downswing motion. My hands have gotten much more educated over the last couple of years which is key as you stated. Over-acceleration and/or "adding" are my primary concerns now. If you're a swinger I think even if you're "under" it some, as long as you don't interfere with CF (and you have rhythm), your result will be "negotiable".
Has he not located the Turned Shoulder Plane with both the Club and his hands in Frame #4???...Perhaps I'm not reading your point correctly!!!! He just locates the Turned Shoulder Plane as a result of over-lengthening his stroke via a double shift...If he hits Cut shots I've seen him use Single Shift...rather than the pics posted here...I'll try to post some different pics of him using a different procedure....For Comparison!!!
I think the primary benefit is Maximum participation and Range of Motion of the Power Package Components are utlized which gives perhaps better performance characteristics of the other Plane Angles and their Variations...
Your comment from an earlier post "not on-plane but...Parallel to the Elbow Plane" I think is sufficient for me at this time. I can't however read much encouragement for turning off plane in Mr. Kelley's 10-13-B/C comments. Of course, there is ample support among prominent instructors and players for a shoulder turn that extends beyond the plane line and for different combinations of up and down shaft planes. It would be interesting to know if Mac reaches the TSP by default or intent.... does he think in terms of having the lead arm and shaft at the top on/parallel to the plane the shoulderS turn on, or on "reaching the TSP."
Hybrid Mode
