For a pro 'TGM-model', could I suggest you take a look at Joe Durant. He is coached by Ron Gring, who is TGM trained and has excellent ballstriking stats (very near the top of PGA players), a very nice simple swing, and a right forearm that is onplane (or very close to it) at address. I think a video can be found of him at a site called golfswing.com (which looks a bit dodgy by the way, but has some nice swing videos).
One last thing: According to Chuck Evans, Ben Hogan and Mo Norman--two of the best ballstrikers ever--had the least amount of change in the angle of the Clubshaft from Address to Impact that he has measured on video.
I have gone through phases of Hitting and Swinging this year and have settled on Swinging as my preferred method.
When hitting, I set up at impact fix with my right forearm on-plane.
When swinging, I set up at adjusted address after getting my head position by checking impact fix fist. Going to adjusted address is simply relaxing my arms after checking impact fix. I then have a bent left wrist, flat right wrist at address and my right forearm is slightly below plane due to my adding a bit more #3 accumulator when I relax into adjusted address.
Note: My head does not move when I go from impact fix to adjusted address. And whether hitting or swinging, my left wrist is flat and my right forearm is on plane at impact.
Regarding Faxon vs Goosen: Faxon is slightly more accurate but Goosen outdives him by 20yds. However, neither are super accurate at 138th and 157th respectively.
With regard to your statement,"... my right forearm is slightly below plane due to my adding a bit more #3 accumulator when I relax into adjusted address.", I have some questions.
1. Can you explain what you mean by your right forearm being "below plane?" To which plane are you referring? Does this mean that your right arm is below the shaft at address?
2. What does it mean to add more #3 acumulator? I just looked in the book, and don't understand Homer's explanation or what it is that you do.
3. Perhaps more importantly, I don't see how my right forearm could possibly be "on plane" (in line?) with the shaft at adjusted address. I just tried this with my sand wedge. At adjusted address,my hands and the the butt of the shaft are on my left thigh and the club face is behind my right foot. My right forearm is most definitely not on plane with the shaft; rather my forearm is at an angle of approximately 60 degrees to the shaft. How could I possibly get my right forearm in line with the shaft without destroying my flying wedges?
4. Am I simply incorrect as to what "on plane" means?
5. Am I correct that the "flying wedges" refer to the angle between the arms and the shaft?
With regard to your statement,"... my right forearm is slightly below plane due to my adding a bit more #3 accumulator when I relax into adjusted address.", I have some questions.
1. Can you explain what you mean by your right forearm being "below plane?" To which plane are you referring? Does this mean that your right arm is below the shaft at address?
2. What does it mean to add more #3 acumulator? I just looked in the book, and don't understand Homer's explanation or what it is that you do.
3. Perhaps more importantly, I don't see how my right forearm could possibly be "on plane" (in line?) with the shaft at adjusted address. I just tried this with my sand wedge. At adjusted address,my hands and the the butt of the shaft are on my left thigh and the club face is behind my right foot. My right forearm is most definitely not on plane with the shaft; rather my forearm is at an angle of approximately 60 degrees to the shaft. How could I possibly get my right forearm in line with the shaft without destroying my flying wedges?
4. Am I simply incorrect as to what "on plane" means?
5. Am I correct that the "flying wedges" refer to the angle between the arms and the shaft?
Thank you very much.
teach
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Here's my best effort at answering your questions:
1. Slightly below plane, meaning not exactly inline with the shaft, but instead the arm just slightly lower - I checked my mirror tonight and it's only very slightly below plane when at adjusted address.
2. I mis-spoke and meant to say #2, accumulator - which is the amount of cock in your left wrist. When I go to adjusted address I get a tad more than I have than when starting at impact fix. I think to be text-book, one would not allow this to happen and one would maintain the Level condition of the left wrist, even at adjusted address. As Yoda recently told me, TGM is a "high hands system", not a "low hands system".
3. Ideally your right forearm will be on-plane with the shaft both at address and at impact. Impact being the most important one. Check out the gallery and watch the video called "Right Forearm, Holies and Polies". Yoda gives the student (which happens to be me in the video) a lesson on how to get the right forearm on plane at address. You can see the on-plane position from behind and it doesn't matter how much your right wrist is bent. A front view you would see the wedges intact as you mention.
4. I hope the above clears up what "on plane" means when we are talking about the right forearm.
5. Do Forum search on Flying Wedges and you will find some great explanations. I think of it as maintaining a bent right wrist, flat left wrist throughout the downstroke, impact, and into follow through.
Again, go to the Forum Archives and search for some of these topics and you will find a load of information.
And then again, Homer personally really didn't care how you took it back, as long as from release through impact your alignments are dead-solid, perfect.
It helps to have the right forearm on plane at address, but it's not a requirement. There are many other things a swinger and hitter can do to make it easier to lessen all the extra movements prior to release.
The right forearm on plane at address is just one.
5. Am I correct that the "flying wedges" refer to the angle between the arms and the shaft?
Thank you very much.
teach
A lot of questions- that’s good !! I'll take number five:
The FWs are formed by the flat left wrist which ONLY moves up & down- vertically. It is acc#2 and acc#3. The is the Left Arm Flying Wedge. And by the bent right wrist which can only move Horizontally, never vertically and is called the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. Put them together on the club and you have G.O.L.F.
Check out how Acc#2 and 3 work in the “Are you Ready to Roll” video clip (sorry guys I do love that clip- FogBuster 101).
Thank you for your replies. I watched the video clips that were mentioned, as well as the one on delivery path and flying wedges. I also read every single post in the archives on flying wedges. To me, there still seems to be a contradiction between the right forearm being on plane at address and having a right forearm flying wedge, but I'm going to let this incubate for a while. I think that I'm missing some crucial point or definition.
Thank you for your replies. I watched the video clips that were mentioned, as well as the one on delivery path and flying wedges. I also read every single post in the archives on flying wedges. To me, there still seems to be a contradiction between the right forearm being on plane at address and having a right forearm flying wedge, but I'm going to let this incubate for a while. I think that I'm missing some crucial point or definition.
teach
Teach,
To try and help, and some of this may be obvious to you, but if so just ignore.
First, onplane means from the down the line view not the face on view. Again, this may be obvious, but from your earlier post it looked like possibly you might have been meaning onplane/inline, as if this meant from looking face on at the player.
Secondly, for someone starting at adjusted address (that is the classic, mid body hands address position, usually with a bent left wrist and relatively flat right wrist), the flying wedges are not set up - they are set during the swing when the right wrist bends (to the point it will be bent at at impact).
Thirdly, to get the right forearm on plane at address, you need pretty high hands. If from down the line the shaft and your right forearm are not onplane at address (in a straight line) - which is what you see in most players, tour players incuded), just try raising your hands (this is no substitute for impact fix though - see the archives on impact fix!). Also, while much instruction suggests a finger grip for the right hand, TGM prescribes much more of a palm grip. There are posts on this in the forum. The grip lies in the cup of your right hand and this makes it much easier to get the right forearm on plane. And the level condition which is prescribed for the right wrist throughout the swing is not the natural condition of your hand at rest (or its not for me anyway) - it is more uncocked - so if you held your hand up vertically with your pinky finger closest to the ground, all your fingers would point down somewhat in relation to your right forearm. Looking at your palm there would be a straight line from your wrist to the first knuckle of your thumb, extending up your arm.
Hope this helps and doesn't confuse you more! Again, sorry if some of this was obvious.
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