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Old 12-27-2005, 05:16 PM
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Online creates a wonderful ground work for study- so much in fact that I think many that have been at this for a while (online) and have attended any "fog lifting" should be able to pass the first part of the first Level. It would only benefit Joe and therefore TGM if that first section of Level One could be taken, for a fee (say $500) and if passed then a journey to part two Level One should be taken. If failed, Joe can then require that the applicant take both parts. I think it would increase the number of AI's.
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Old 12-27-2005, 10:14 PM
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Okay gang, tell me....

1. Why do we want to increase the number of AI's if they are not going to golf instructors?

2. Why does someone who is not going to be a golf instructor want to become recognized as an AI?

3. Without practical hands on application, does it make sense that anyone should be recognized as an AI?

Obviously an online school could support the book work, but without good demonstrations and images, you can in fact walk away with the incorrect understanding of the principles and concepts.

Just wondering why and what value there is in pushing TGM certification on non-golf instructors. Without a doubt there is great value in getting golf instructors certified. Guess the money into the TGM LLC might help move things forward?!?
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:46 AM
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your right in a sense.i dont want to learn more to instruct.i make my living playing the pga tour.i want to learn more for personal knowlege.although with todays technology anything is possible.look at all the great information yoda has on his site.i know there are other tour players that would like to take classes.it is just asking to much from our families to be gone anymore than we already are.by spreading the word of the golf machine more individuals will become addicted just like the rest of us.this just means more money in the pockets of you instructors.thanks for all the great response to my thread,just trying to give you guys some food for thought.
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:32 AM
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your right in a sense.i dont want to learn more to instruct.i make my living playing the pga tour.i want to learn more for personal knowlege.although with todays technology anything is possible.look at all the great information yoda has on his site.i know there are other tour players that would like to take classes.it is just asking to much from our families to be gone anymore than we already are.by spreading the word of the golf machine more individuals will become addicted just like the rest of us.this just means more money in the pockets of you instructors.thanks for all the great response to my thread,just trying to give you guys some food for thought.
John,

Best of luck to you! Guys how could TGM not do this? Seems like this is the exact kind of exposure that could get the little Yellow Book "mainstream." Tour players endorsement would be HUGE!

Thanks again John for your support, interest and recognition of the BEST information in golf.

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Old 12-28-2005, 07:40 PM
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your right in a sense.i dont want to learn more to instruct.i make my living playing the pga tour.i want to learn more for personal knowlege.although with todays technology anything is possible.look at all the great information yoda has on his site.i know there are other tour players that would like to take classes.it is just asking to much from our families to be gone anymore than we already are.by spreading the word of the golf machine more individuals will become addicted just like the rest of us.this just means more money in the pockets of you instructors.thanks for all the great response to my thread,just trying to give you guys some food for thought.
I have often thought it would be fun to test my knowledge. I don't plan on teaching (or playing )professionally, but it would still be fun and rewarding to take the exams.

Good luck on the Tour in '06 John and we hope to see you contributing on the forum in the future.
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Old 12-29-2005, 11:36 AM
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After going through the GSEB and GSEM classes there is no way to conduct those type of classes online. There is a demonstration requirement along with verbal and written requirements that could not happen outside of face to face interaction.
There could however be a short course and long course curriculum that could be taught over the internet to introduce the key ideas of G.O.L.F. and that is what we're getting from these sites. Taped segments like would be a great place to start.
On a side note, Brian, Chuck, Joe and Lynn have been very supportive of answering questions on-line, in person or over the phone to me over the years and they are only a click away. This is one of the great places to get your questions answered. Homer would be happy because he too 'thrived on questions!'
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I have often thought it would be fun to test my knowledge. I don't plan on teaching (or playing )professionally, but it would still be fun and rewarding to take the exams.

Good luck on the Tour in '06 John and we hope to see you contributing on the forum in the future.
I'm with you. It would be cool to take the test. I wouldn't wish my teaching somebody golf even to Osama. It would be torture! When it comes to G.O.L.F. it's all about Bucket.
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Originally Posted by denny.

Martee and I got our G.S.E.B. 2 and half years ago in a 3 day class with Joe. Joe KNOWS the Book. He even caught the teacher(Lynn) on a error.
That error had nothing to do with knowing the book. In fact, I knew the collective book (the sixth edition and its five predecessors) too well. Joe didn't have that particular 'problem': After the dust settled, he told me himself that he had never studied the earlier editions because he felt that only the latest work was relevant.

In the case of TGM, that simply is not true. Much very useful, 'connect the dots' information was left on TGM's cutting room floor as it progressed through the various editions. It is one of the reasons the book is so difficult: In the interest of brevity, many of the stepping stones in the middle of the stream have been removed.

In this instance, the discussion centered around the Closed Clubface at Fix for the longest, hardest hit Shots with Angled Hinging. We both knew (and quoted) the exact wording of the 6th edition:

"Clubface alignment is slightly 'Open' for short shots but for longer shots it must be set up more and more 'Closed.'"

The issue was interpretation of that sentence. Joe had written a post stating that the Clubface should be Closed at Fix. I responded that the 'more and more closed' -- from the Open alignment on Short Shots -- ended at Square, which was exactly what Homer himself had said in the earlier editions. I acquiesced only when I researched my personal tapes of my time with Homer and heard the words, "It must be set up Closed. The tendency to fade is still there."

I immediately wrote a post retracting the 'Square' Clubface position and explained why using an extended quote transcribed from my tapes of Homer's own words.

And that was that.
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I think online programs would be great for people like myself who may not necesarily want to be paid golf instructors, but are high school golf coaches that want to instruct our kids the best way possible. Maybe not even call us "AI's" but maybe TGM certified "coaches".
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