Martee and I got our G.S.E.B. 2 and half years ago in a 3 day class with Joe. Joe KNOWS the Book. He even caught the teacher(Lynn) on a error.
That error had nothing to do with knowing the book. In fact, I knew the collective book (the sixth edition and its five predecessors) too well. Joe didn't have that particular 'problem': After the dust settled, he told me himself that he had never studied the earlier editions because he felt that only the latest work was relevant.
In the case of TGM, that simply is not true. Much very useful, 'connect the dots' information was left on TGM's cutting room floor as it progressed through the various editions. It is one of the reasons the book is so difficult: In the interest of brevity, many of the stepping stones in the middle of the stream have been removed.
In this instance, the discussion centered around the Closed Clubface at Fix for the longest, hardest hit Shots with Angled Hinging. We both knew (and quoted) the exact wording of the 6th edition:
"Clubface alignment is slightly 'Open' for short shots but for longer shots it must be set up more and more 'Closed.'"
The issue was interpretation of that sentence. Joe had written a post stating that the Clubface should be Closed at Fix. I responded that the 'more and more closed' -- from the Open alignment on Short Shots -- ended at Square,which was exactly what Homer himself had said in the earlier editions. I acquiesced only when I researched my personal tapes of my time with Homer and heard the words, "It must be set up Closed. The tendency to fade is still there."
I immediately wrote a post retracting the 'Square' Clubface position and explained why using an extended quote transcribed from my tapes of Homer's own words.
That error had nothing to do with knowing the book. In fact, I knew the collective book (the sixth edition and its five predecessors) too well. Joe didn't have that particular 'problem': After the dust settled, he told me himself that he had never studied the earlier editions because he felt that only the latest work was relevant.
In the case of TGM, that simply is not true. Much very useful, 'connect the dots' information was left on TGM's cutting room floor as it progressed through the various editions. It is one of the reasons the book is so difficult: In the interest of brevity, many of the stepping stones in the middle of the stream have been removed.
In this instance, the discussion centered around the Closed Clubface at Fix for the longest, hardest hit Shots with Angled Hinging. We both knew (and quoted) the exact wording of the 6th edition:
"Clubface alignment is slightly 'Open' for short shots but for longer shots it must be set up more and more 'Closed.'"
The issue was interpretation of that sentence. Joe had written a post stating that the Clubface should be Closed at Fix. I responded that the 'more and more closed' -- from the Open alignment on Short Shots -- ended at Square,which was exactly what Homer himself had said in the earlier editions. I acquiesced only when I researched my personal tapes of my time with Homer and heard the words, "It must be set up Closed. The tendency to fade is still there."
I immediately wrote a post retracting the 'Square' Clubface position and explained why using an extended quote transcribed from my tapes of Homer's own words.
And that was that.
I will second Lynn's comments.
However....
(Lynn, please dont kill me)
If you set up closed...and...the clubface, even with layback, still closes...how can you set the face closed at fix?
I understand the clubhead is movin faster then the face...however, there are others that agree with me.....
Also, since the Ball always leaves perpendicular or 90 degrees from the leading edge of the Clubface at Separation, doesn't the above procedure necessarily produce a Pull shot?
Also, since the Ball always leaves perpendicular or 90 degrees from the leading edge of the Clubface at Separation, doesn't the above procedure necessarily produce a Pull shot?
Closed at Fix (Impact) and Closed at Separation are two different things.
Closed at Fix (Impact) and Closed at Separation are two different things.
I understand that with Angled Hinging, the Clubface becomes more and more Open (but still Closed) relative to the Delivery Line during Impact.
But...
If the Clubface is Closed (relative to the Plane Line) at Impact, then it must be more Closed (again, relative to the Plane Line) at Separation, right?
If you set up closed...and...the clubface, even with layback, still closes...how can you set the face closed at fix?
Unlike Horizontal and Vertical Hinging, Angled Hinging is an Uncentered motion that results in an inherent Slice tendency. This Slice tendency must be (1) compensated or (2) lived with. Assuming the latter solution is unacceptable, I can only reiterate what The Man said, "The tendency to Fade is still there," and the only compensation is a Closed Clubface at Fix.
Remember, though, the Closed Clubface compensation is necessary only on the longest, hardest hit Shots with their extended Impact Interval. Otherwise, the Ball is not on the Clubface long enough to warrant this extreme alignment.
Hybrid Mode
