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Old 12-31-2005, 09:51 PM
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So if layback means the effective club loft is increasing and the only real way to increase loft while having a bent right wrist is to play the ball slightly forward of normal, this may explain the motion's tendency to slice.

Hmmm
It is the uncentered Clubface Motion of Angled Hinging that causes the Slicing tendency. This uncentered motion causes the Clubface to go from Closed to Open relative to the Clubhead line of flight.
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Old 12-31-2005, 10:11 PM
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It is the uncentered Clubface Motion of Angled Hinging that causes the Slicing tendency. This uncentered motion causes the Clubface to go from Closed to Open relative to the Clubhead line of flight.

How can the clubface be going from closed to open if it is to be both laid back and closing? If it is closing, then it has to start from an open position. The paddleboat reference that Homer refers to would also suggest a closing of the clubface as it gets closer to impact.

I guess it would be possible to do if the ball position was further back than normal in the stance not giving the clubface time to close all the way before impact but there would be no way to lay the club back and add loft to the shot from that position.
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Old 12-31-2005, 10:16 PM
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How can the clubface be going from closed to open if it is to be both laid back and closing? If it is closing, then it has to start from an open position. The paddleboat reference that Homer refers to would also suggest a closing of the clubface as it gets closer to impact.

I guess it would be possible to do if the ball position was further back than normal in the stance not giving the clubface time to close all the way before impact but there would be no way to lay the club back and add loft to the shot from that position.
The Clubface does Close relative to the Plane Line.

But I said relative to the Clubhead Line of Flight.
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Old 12-31-2005, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
The Clubface does Close relative to the Plane Line.

But I said relative to the Clubhead Line of Flight.
Oh, okay. So let me see if I have this somewhat right. The hitter produces a powerful jab at the ball with the right forearm. But because the shaft that the connects the clubhead is connected to the heel of the clubhead, the face is unable to bring the toe around and square completely before impact (unless the flw is broken). So even thought the angled hinge is closed past the point of impact, at impact it is slightly open. For this reason, we must close the face at address slightly to compensate and give the clubface more time to close.

Is this anywhere near right?

thank goodness for me the principles work even if you don't understand them
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With Angled Hinging the Clubface must be set up Closed at Impact for the longest and hardest hit shots, and Square at Impact for shorter shots. But the Clubface should never be Open at Impact if a straight shot is needed, even for short shots.

I asked Yoda about if it is true that one must hit a Pull shot with Angled Hinging if a straight shot desired. He replied: Closed at Fix (Impact) and Closed at Separation are two different things.

The above implies that at Separation the Clubface is Square. But
if the Clubface is Closed to the Plane Line at Impact, then surely it must be more Closed at Separation to the Plane Line?
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Old 01-01-2006, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
With Angled Hinging the Clubface must be set up Closed at Impact for the longest and hardest hit shots, and Square at Impact for shorter shots. But the Clubface should never be Open at Impact if a straight shot is needed, even for short shots.

I asked Yoda about if it is true that one must hit a Pull shot with Angled Hinging if a straight shot desired. He replied: Closed at Fix (Impact) and Closed at Separation are two different things.

The above implies that at Separation the Clubface is Square. But
if the Clubface is Closed to the Plane Line at Impact, then surely it must be more Closed at Separation to the Plane Line?

Yes, I would think so too. It seems that it would be impossible to use angled hinging (which is continually closing) and have a shot closed at impact and open at seperation.
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Old 01-01-2006, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
The Clubface does Close relative to the Plane Line.

But I said relative to the Clubhead Line of Flight.

If the plane line is the invisible line that the clubhead travels upon then wouldn't the clubhead line of flight be the same as the plane line? If you swing the clubhead inside to out then you have an inside-out plane line, if you swing it outside to in then you have an out-in plane line.

Also, if you take the clubhead up sharply you are increasing the incline plane and if you take it away flat you are decreasing the incline plane.

I think the clubhead is inseperable from the plane line.
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