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Old 01-03-2006, 02:59 AM
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Right, Wrong, Unclear or all of the above?
Originally Posted by leonjacky
"Make contact on the right spot

One of the biggest misconceptions in shotmaking is that to hit a draw, you need to make contact on the inside-back portion of the ball (if you divided the ball into quarters, the quadrant closest to your right foot). This simply is not true. You need to hit the outside-back part of the ball. The inside-back quadrant actually is the right spot for a fade. To hit a draw, the leading edge has to be pointing down and to the left of the target when the clubface contacts the ball (exaggerated image, above right). For a fade, it has to point up and to the right. "

link:http://www.golfdigest.com/instructio...reaking80.html

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If the answer to your post has to be right or wrong? Then wrong would be the answer, although completely unclear and lacking precision would be the best answer.

I'll start with three, although there are many more.

1) The clubface in relation to the target line has nothing to do with it. It's the clubface angle in relation to the clubhead path/force/line of compression that creates side spin or no side spin and back spin or no back spin.

So to draw the ball - you need to understand the clubface concept clearly- differentiated from the leading edge concept i.e. if the ball is well above your feet on a side hill the leading may still be vertical to your target line but the loft of the clubface is aiming well to the left.

You need to understand the on-plane and "circular" motion of the clubhead clearly, and then understand the relationship between the clubface and the on-plane circular motion of the clubhead, in order to draw or fade it. This article never differentiates the clubhead motion from the clubface direction and that is it's main downfall- the article shows how to hit a push fade or a pull draw- neither one will find the target. I'm guessing the guy that wrote it can't break 80!

2) In my view, the leading edge doesn't look down or up - it's an edge. The loft may decrease or increase as you open or close the clubface- and that certainly happens if your maintaining the same hand location with different shots i.e. drawing and fading with the same club.

3) The article is so unclear it's hard to say if it implies anything- "who would know?", but it seems to imply that your clubhead will be moving on a straight line through impact- i.e. steering.

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Old 01-03-2006, 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike O

If the answer to your post has to be right or wrong? Then wrong would be the answer, although completely unclear and lacking precision would be the best answer.

...This article never differentiates the clubhead motion from the clubface direction and that is it's main downfall- the article shows how to hit a push fade or a pull draw- neither one will find the target. I'm guessing the guy that wrote it can't break 80!
Oops! Didn't see the quote marks on Leonjacky's post and thought the text was his. Should have read the linked article! Also didn't pick up the header as the question. Guess I just got too excited thinking that a TGM newbie had just found a nugget in Chapter Two!

The Clubface-Ball contact points referenced are right out of Sketch 2-B. Contact 'outside-aft' -- Hook. Contact inside-aft -- Fade. Contact 'middle' -- Straight Ball. But, as Mike O points out, the Clubhead Line of Flight (2-N-0) has a big part to play in the Ball's ultimate Flight Path.

Welcome to TGM, Leonjacky. Your search is over, but your journey has just begun!
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Old 01-03-2006, 04:39 AM
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Contant 'middle' -- Straight Ball Flight.

Visual inside-aft is the middle!
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Old 01-04-2006, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
Contant 'middle' -- Straight Ball Flight.

Visual inside-aft is the middle!
Close but not quite - It really is the inside aft quadrant that initially gets struck for a straight shot and nothing visual about it. At the impact point/initial contact point with the ball, the ball deforms and stays on the face as the clubface is closing during the 'impact interval', by the time it seperates, this original contact point becomes square to the line of flight.

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Old 01-05-2006, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mathew
Close but not quite - It really is the inside aft quadrant that initially gets struck for a straight shot and nothing visual about it.
2-C-1 #3, Impact Point is basically on the Center Line.
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Old 02-15-2006, 05:30 AM
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So, please correct me if i am wrong?
I am picking up the book with reference to vid of the Gallery.

So, it is correct to draw (fade) a ball in my understanding?

1. Hold the club with square club face and aim the inside (outside)quadrant of the ball
2. Whole Body aim to the right (left) of target line
3. Inside-out (outside-in)swing path in relation to target line (but remain inside-square-inside swing path in relation to base line)
4. 1-2 degree open clubface at impact and square at separation.
5. Finish with swivel (with angle hinge)

Finally, in order to hit it straight, it that we just manage the base line and plane line on the same line, impact with 1-2 degree open clubface at the aft part of the ball?

Sorry for my poor writing. I will try to adopt TMG's terms in next post.
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Originally Posted by Yoda
Of course there are other considerations that will affect the Ball's ultimate Flight Path...
Not including external factors such as wind direction, what else?

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