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Old 01-14-2006, 01:23 PM
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More On Pressure Points -- Hitting And Swinging
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So I take it that Hitters can say goodbye to Pressure Point #2.
Other than the normal pressure necessary to secure the Left Hand Grip (1-L #3), the Hitter does not employ Pressure Point #2. In Full Strokes, the Swinger Loads the Left Wrist (and Pressure Points #2 and #3) to Drag centrifugally the Secondary Lever (the Club only). The Hitter Loads the Right Elbow (and Pressure Points #1 and #3) to Drive muscularly the Primary Lever (the Left Arm and Club). The latter is true even in Wristcock Strokes: Pressure Point #3 drives the #2 Accumulator (as opposed to the Swinger's normal application of the #2 Pressure Point driving the associated #2 Power Accumulator). This illustrates the Interchangeability of Power Accumulators and Pressure Points (10-11-0-5).

In the Stage One Basic Motion, there is no Left Wristcock. Hence, the Primary Lever Assembly remains in its In Line condition (Centrifugal Momentum 2-K#2). The player then uses either (1) the Left Arm to Pull the Secondary Lever through Impact (Swinging); or (2) the Right Arm to Push the Primary Lever through Impact (Hitting).

The Swinger Pulls the Secondary Lever toward the Plane Line centrifugally (as if the Clubshaft was a piece of rope) via Pressure Point #2. The Hitter Pushes the Primary Lever toward the Plane Line muscularly (as if the Left Arm and Clubshaft were one solid piece of board) by the thrust of the Right Elbow against Pressure Point #3.

Hitter's caveat:

Normally, the Left Arm is driven by the Thrust of the #1 Accumulator (Right Elbow) against the #1 Pressure Point (the heel of the Right Hand against the Left Hand thumb). Simultaneously, the Clubshaft is driven also by the Right Elbow but now against Pressure Point #3 (the right forefinger).

When only Pressure Point #3 is employed, the Right Elbow must drive both the Left Arm and the Clubshaft using that lone Pressure Point (1-L #7). This means that the Acceleration Thrust must be applied equally against both the Left Arm and Club (and not merely the Club alone). Otherwise, the Left Wrist Bends, the Club swings forward independently of the Left Arm and the shot is lost (1-L #8 ).
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Other than the normal pressure necessary to secure the Left Hand Grip (1-L #3), the Hitter does not employ Pressure Point #2. In Full Strokes, the Swinger Loads the Left Wrist (and Pressure Points #2 and #3) to Drag centrifugally the Secondary Lever (the Club only). The Hitter Loads the Right Elbow (and Pressure Points #1 and #3) to Drive muscularly the Primary Lever (the Left Arm and Club). The latter is true even in Wristcock Strokes: Pressure Point #3 drives the #2 Accumulator (as opposed to the Swinger's normal application of the #2 Pressure Point driving the associated #2 Power Accumulator). This illustrates the Interchangeability of Power Accumulators and Pressure Points (10-11-0-5).

In the Stage One Basic Motion, there is no Left Wristcock. Hence, the Primary Lever Assembly remains in its In Line condition (Centrifugal Momentum 2-K#2). The player then uses either (1) the Left Arm to Pull the Secondary Lever through Impact (Swinging); or (2) the Right Arm to Push the Primary Lever through Impact (Hitting).

The Swinger Pulls the Secondary Lever toward the Plane Line centrifugally (as if the Clubshaft was a piece of rope) via Pressure Point #2. The Hitter Pushes the Primary Lever toward the Plane Line muscularly (as if the Left Arm and Clubshaft were one solid piece of board) by the thrust of the Right Elbow against Pressure Point #3.

Hitter's caveat:

Normally, the Left Arm is driven by the Thrust of the #1 Accumulator (Right Elbow) against the #1 Pressure Point (the heel of the Right Hand against the Left Hand thumb). Simultaneously, the Clubshaft is driven also by the Right Elbow but now against Pressure Point #3 (the right forefinger).

When only Pressure Point #3 is employed, the Right Elbow must drive both the Left Arm and the Clubshaft using that lone Pressure Point (1-L #7). This means that the Acceleration Thrust must be applied equally against both the Left Arm and Club (and not merely the Club alone). Otherwise, the Left Wrist Bends, the Club swings forward independently of the Left Arm and the shot is lost (1-L #8 ).

This one should go in the 'sticky' category - wonderful post!

Yoda - does this difference indicate then that a hitter may actually be better off with zero accumulator #2, and a swinger with 'max' accumulator #2 (Hogan)? It would certainly seem to differentiate loading preferences being near opposites of each other. The swinger with the 'early' set perhaps.
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Old 01-15-2006, 02:57 PM
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Actuating The #2 Accumulator
Originally Posted by EdZ

Yoda - does this difference indicate then that a hitter may actually be better off with zero accumulator #2, and a swinger with 'max' accumulator #2 (Hogan)? It would certainly seem to differentiate loading preferences being near opposites of each other. The swinger with the 'early' set perhaps.
For Maximum Power, both Hitter and Swinger need the mechanical advantage afforded by the Wristcock. The difference between the two is in how that Assembly is actuated: The Hitter uses the Right Elbow to Cock and Uncock the Left Wrist. The Swinger uses Centrifugal Force.

Regarding a "'max' #2 Accumulator," the Wrist is considered to be in a Cocked condition any time it moves beyond the Level (a straight line is formed from the wrist bone to the edge of the hand) to its maximum Cocked condition. It matters little how much that Wristcock varies from player to player. What is important is that if the Wrist is Cocked, it should be fully Cocked. This eliminates the 'wobble' inherent in the less-than-full condition.

Regarding Hogan's Wristcock, remember, the Wrist Cock is a Perpendicular Motion. It is not Wrist Bend, a Horizontal Motion. When the Grip is taken with the Left Hand Turned, the amount of Left Wrist Turn properly becomes Left Wrist Bend at the Top (4-D-1). This is a Double Wrist Cock (10-18-B), and it is restricted to true Swingers (those who depend solely upon Centrifugal Force to align both Clubface and Clubshaft).

Ben Hogan employed this Turned Left Hand and Double Wristcock procedure in his early days, and it is readily seen in the sequence photographs of his first book, Power Golf. Later, in an effort to combat his tendency to Hook, he made two significant changes to his Grip: First, he moved the Left Hand from Turned to Vertical. Normally, this Grip produces a Single Action -- Wristcock Only. However, Hogan added a Wrist Bend at the Top thinking that he could now Roll his Wrists through Impact as hard as he wanted, and the Ball still would not Hook.

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Old 01-15-2006, 03:52 PM
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It matters little how much that Wristcock varies from player to player. What is important is that if the Wrist is Cocked, it should be fully Cocked. This eliminates the 'wobble' inherent in the less-than-full condition.
I find that hard to swallow, except for full Power Strokes.

For example, when using 12-5-2, we introduce Accumulator #2.

Can you imagine this amount of Wrist Cock for a basic pitch shot?

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Old 01-15-2006, 05:15 PM
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Power Regulation Versus Wrist Action
Originally Posted by tongzilla

I find that hard to swallow, except for full Power Strokes.

For example, when using 12-5-2, we introduce Accumulator #2.

Can you imagine this amount of Wrist Cock for a basic pitch shot?

Leo,

Do not confuse the speed and sharpness of the above Maximum Power Loading Action (7-22) Driver Stroke with the Maximum Cocked Wrist (4-B-2) of the Pitch Shot. Also, remember that the Driver is the longest Club in the bag and accordingly has the Flattest Plane. The Pitch Shot, on the other hand, normally is played with the Sand Wedge, the shortest Club (except for the Putter) and is swung on a Steeper Plane. These facts, plus a slow shutterspeed, enhance the illusion of a 'greater than normal' Cocked Left Wrist.

Actually, the degree of Wristcock afforded by the Flat Left Wrist (Accumulator Lag / 6-C-0) is not all that great to begin with. And as I've stated, it is advisable to have maximum Wristcock when that Accumulator is employed in order to eliminate Power Package Wobble.

Maximum Wristcock does not mean maximum Accumulator #2 Power! It is true that varying the amount of 'Out-of-Line' will increase or decrease the amount of Power that ultimately can be Released (6-B-0). However, that does not mean that a full Wrist Cock demands full Power. To the contrary, Clubhead Power is a function of Effective Clubhead Mass and Clubhead Speed per 2-M-2. And this Power Regulation is totally under the conscious control of the player.

I might add that I play many of my Pitch Shots with the Left Wrist Level, especially when Hitting. Remember, 'daintiness is dangerous' and the shorter Stroke with its stronger Thrust has definite advantages (3-F-6, 6-C-2-D and 10-19-A).
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Originally Posted by Yoda
For Maximum Power, both Hitter and Swinger need the mechanical advantage afforded by the Wristcock. The difference between the two is in how that Assembly is actuated: The Hitter uses the Right Elbow to Cock and Uncock the Left Wrist. The Swinger uses Centrifugal Force.

Regarding a "'max' #2 Accumulator," the Wrist is considered to be in a Cocked condition any time it moves beyond the Level (a straight line is formed from the wrist bone to the edge of the hand) to its maximum Cocked condition. It matters little how much that Wristcock varies from player to player. What is important is that if the Wrist is Cocked, it should be fully Cocked. This eliminates the 'wobble' inherent in the less-than-full condition.
Yoda,

I have been incubating the above on "maxing-out" the #2 Accumulator. Is this in the book? This is a significantly different feel for me. It is almost like a double shot of Extensor Action. If I Cock the Left Wrist 'til I can't no more, you are SPOT ON . . . the WOBBLE IS GONE!

With the fully-cocked #2, I can feel the #1 and #3 pressure points much more prominently. I guess based on the selected procedure you either Drive or Pull this structure down plane.

Is there any danger in "holding on" with this if you haven't had the max'ed out feel before?

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Steering Versus Full Extension
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I have been incubating the above on "maxing-out" the #2 Accumulator. Is this in the book? This is a significantly different feel for me. It is almost like a double shot of Extensor Action. If I Cock the Left Wrist 'til I can't no more, you are SPOT ON . . . the WOBBLE IS GONE!

Is there any danger in "holding on" with this if you haven't had the max'ed out feel before?
The advice to fully Cock the Left Wrist to remove Power Package Wobble is not in the book. Instead, it is in the words of Homer Kelley himself in his GSEM Instructor training classes.

Regarding 'holding on' -- Steering per 3-F-7-A -- I see no danger. Remember, Wristcock is a Perpendicular Motion. It seeks Full Extension of the Left Arm and Club per 2-P. And trust me, either Centrifugal Force (Swinging) or Muscular Thrust (Hitting) is doing everything it can to make that happen!
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A Third Way To Zero Power Accumulator #3
Previously, we've discussed two ways to Zero Power Accumulator #3 (the angle formed by the Left Arm and Club).

1. Grip the Club in the cup of the Left Hand.

2. Fully Uncock the Left Wrist (Reverse Wristcock).

There is a third way...

Who knows what it is?

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Originally Posted by Yoda
Previously, we've discussed two ways to Zero Power Accumulator #3 (the angle formed by the Left Arm and Club).

1. Grip the Club in the cup of the Left Hand.

2. Fully Uncock the Left Wrist (Reverse Wristcock).

There is a third way...

Who knows what it is?

run the club up the inside of the left forearm?
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