I'm really interested in your experience with Tom Tomasello. I'm not sure if you have seen them, but there are a bunch of videos of Tom on this site in the Gallery section, which have certainly been helpful to me, and I'm sure to others here.
I'd be keen to hear details on the procedure Tom taught you. If you don't mind, a couple of questions I haven't really figured out from watching the videos mentioned above.
(1) In some of his videos (The 'Australian' series) Tom talks about the left hip pulling behind and the pivot not stopping through the shot. But in others (The 'Myrtle Beach' series)he seems to suggest a much more quiet body - more as if the hips get somewhat open and then are pulled to the finish (facing the target) by the momentum of the arms. Which of these (if either) were you taught?
(2) Did Tom teach you a longitudinal pull of the clubshaft from the top/end. Again, I think this is explicit in the 'Australian' series, but less so in the 'Myrtle Beach' series?
Any help you could offer, or any other insights, would be much appreciated!
I'm really interested in your experience with Tom Tomasello. I'm not sure if you have seen them, but there are a bunch of videos of Tom on this site in the Gallery section, which have certainly been helpful to me, and I'm sure to others here.
I'd be keen to hear details on the procedure Tom taught you. If you don't mind, a couple of questions I haven't really figured out from watching the videos mentioned above.
(1) In some of his videos (The 'Australian' series) Tom talks about the left hip pulling behind and the pivot not stopping through the shot. But in others (The 'Myrtle Beach' series)he seems to suggest a much more quiet body - more as if the hips get somewhat open and then are pulled to the finish (facing the target) by the momentum of the arms. Which of these (if either) were you taught?
(2) Did Tom teach you a longitudinal pull of the clubshaft from the top/end. Again, I think this is explicit in the 'Australian' series, but less so in the 'Myrtle Beach' series?
Any help you could offer, or any other insights, would be much appreciated!
Kind regards,
Chris
Hi, Chris. Tomasello told me about longitudinal acceleration but he taught me an immediate radial and vertical uncocking of the right arm to begin the downswing and told me to do absolutely as little as possible with my body except to follow the flight of the ball immediately after impact with my eyes. He said I would instinctively and quickly plant pressure under both feet (the sit) to facilitate the throw and not to worry about it. He also told me extensor action would keep the right arm from straightening out too early as long as I only allowed my left wrist to uncock in line with the left arm and didn,t let the right wrist flex forward. Then he taught me about the various hinge actions. A horizontal hinge action would definitely pull my whole body onto my left foot post impact yet angled and vertical wouldn't as much. Even though video would show that my left knee separated from my right to put pressure under my left foot to set up the throw, Tomasello admonished me to throw that club straight into the ground prior to altering the pose of my body and to stay on that right side until the throw pulled me onto my left foot. He did say to really let the body be pulled though. That's all I still do and if you read Harry Vardon's The Gist of Golf, that is what he tells you to do to start the downswing. I hope this clears things up. No body muscling before the the throw. Only a slight brace will occur under both feet to set it up as all energy comes first from the earth, Hope this explains things somewhat for you.
Hi, Chris. Tomasello told me about longitudinal acceleration but he taught me an immediate radial and vertical uncocking of the right arm to begin the downswing and told me to do absolutely as little as possible with my body except to follow the flight of the ball immediately after impact with my eyes. He said I would instinctively and quickly plant pressure under both feet (the sit) to facilitate the throw and not to worry about it. He also told me extensor action would keep the right arm from straightening out too early as long as I only allowed my left wrist to uncock in line with the left arm and didn,t let the right wrist flex forward. Then he taught me about the various hinge actions. A horizontal hinge action would definitely pull my whole body onto my left foot post impact yet angled and vertical wouldn't as much. Even though video would show that my left knee separated from my right to put pressure under my left foot to set up the throw, Tomasello admonished me to throw that club straight into the ground prior to altering the pose of my body and to stay on that right side until the throw pulled me onto my left foot. He did say to really let the body be pulled though. That's all I still do and if you read Harry Vardon's The Gist of Golf, that is what he tells you to do to start the downswing. I hope this clears things up. No body muscling before the the throw. Only a slight brace will occur under both feet to set it up as all energy comes first from the earth, Hope this explains things somewhat for you.
Coophitter,
It's great to have a Tomasello student on board who was able to develop and perfect the right arm swinging procedure that Tomasello taught to golfers around the world.
Especially liked the Harry Vardon comparison/comment...
ChrisNZ,
Tommy handed me the Australia tape as we parted ways after my three day school with him back in the fall of 1993. I have probably watched the Aussie video 500 times or more and I can tell you that the Aussie video and the Myrtle Beach video have Tommy teaching a quiet body approach. On the lesson tee, I asked Tommy where did he come up with the right arm startdown move...Tommy said, 7-3....The MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM...thanks Coophitter for confirming the legitimacy of the Tomasello approach...which is in the book under “Right arm swing”….See 7-19. Also, Homer Kelley did not have a problem with right arm swinging...
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 02-11-2006 at 08:23 PM.
In times of golfing depression or fogginess (but not only then!) I find the Tomasello stuff very helpful!!! Would love to read some Vardon, and also Joe Norwood's book, although it is hard to track down without paying big dollars.
Coophitter, sorry for my lack of anatomical nous, but what is 'radial' uncocking? Is there a feel of the back of the right hand going towards the ground, or is it more a feel of the right hand karate chopping?
On day one with Tomasello, he directed me to the last paragraph of 4-D-1 on page 59 and the last paragraph of 7-3 on page 93 in the sixth edition. I brought a brand new book with me to use during my study with him and those passages are the only words I highlighted in the entire book as they represent the only references Tomasello made to the book that he said I needed to study and commit to memory. I did however bookmark 6-B-3-O-1 on pg. 71 per Mr. Kelley and applied the same study and commitment to memory. I'm sure Tomasello would have told me more to study in the book had I not been a GSEB already and showed him my GSEB book that has 25 labeled bookmark tabs and seems to have as many or more highlighted or underlined words as the words that aren't.
As to your question Chris, radial acceleration simply means applying pressure to the distal or far end of something that you can cause to move in a circle. Think of pushing a child on a swing, playing tetherball, or Wheel of Fortune. In TGM radial acceleration means applying linear right arm thrust through the #1 pressure point against the distal, flat wristed, cocked fist of the inert primary lever(left arm). Centripetal force will kick in immediately to pull and divert the primary lever into a circular motion on an inclined plane. Kelley describes it in 2-K as Centripetal Force diverting Linear Force into a rotating motion. The uncocking of the elbow facilitates the fastest and most precise transfer of this linear right arm force to the cocked left fist even if a kinetic chain of force has flowed into the elbow from the ground up.
As to your karate chop question, I think if you read 6-B-3-O-1 carefully you may come to understand that the uncocking of the right forearm vertically from the top does feel like a karate chop to some but the ulnar side blade of the left hand replaces the ulnar side blade of the right hand as the front of the chop that knifes through the air and can slash through wooden planks or break a brick that gets in its way. The right hand palm should start and remain perpendicular to this left hand blade throughout the motion. Its easier to demonstrate than to talk about and I'm sure Tomasello does this in one of his videos on the site, but I haven't been able to access them for some reason. I wonder if anyone else is having problems with the videos and can help me. Thanks
On day one with Tomasello, he directed me to the last paragraph of 4-D-1 on page 59 and the last paragraph of 7-3 on page 93 in the sixth edition. I brought a brand new book with me to use during my study with him and those passages are the only words I highlighted in the entire book as they represent the only references Tomasello made to the book that he said I needed to study and commit to memory. I did however bookmark 6-B-3-O-1 on pg. 71 per Mr. Kelley and applied the same study and commitment to memory. I'm sure Tomasello would have told me more to study in the book had I not been a GSEB already and showed him my GSEB book that has 25 labeled bookmark tabs and seems to have as many or more highlighted or underlined words as the words that aren't.
As to your question Chris, radial acceleration simply means applying pressure to the distal or far end of something that you can cause to move in a circle. Think of pushing a child on a swing, playing tetherball, or Wheel of Fortune. In TGM radial acceleration means applying linear right arm thrust through the #1 pressure point against the distal, flat wristed, cocked fist of the inert primary lever(left arm). Centripetal force will kick in immediately to pull and divert the primary lever into a circular motion on an inclined plane. Kelley describes it in 2-K as Centripetal Force diverting Linear Force into a rotating motion. The uncocking of the elbow facilitates the fastest and most precise transfer of this linear right arm force to the cocked left fist even if a kinetic chain of force has flowed into the elbow from the ground up.
As to your karate chop question, I think if you read 6-B-3-O-1 carefully you may come to understand that the uncocking of the right forearm vertically from the top does feel like a karate chop to some but the ulnar side blade of the left hand replaces the ulnar side blade of the right hand as the front of the chop that knifes through the air and can slash through wooden planks or break a brick that gets in its way. The right hand palm should start and remain perpendicular to this left hand blade throughout the motion. Its easier to demonstrate than to talk about and I'm sure Tomasello does this in one of his videos on the site, but I haven't been able to access them for some reason. I wonder if anyone else is having problems with the videos and can help me. Thanks
Coophitter,
Thanks for the expert insight to the Tomasello lessons...
A suggestion for your problem in viewing the Tomasello videos...trying downloading the videos to your computer by right clicking on the file and then click on "Save Target as..." with the Tomasello letter videos I had to use this method...
...maybe Bagger or one of the many computer experts on this forum can provide some additional suggestions.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 08-08-2006 at 11:53 PM.
As to your question Chris, radial acceleration simply means applying pressure to the distal or far end of something that you can cause to move in a circle. Think of pushing a child on a swing, playing tetherball, or Wheel of Fortune. In TGM radial acceleration means applying linear right arm thrust through the #1 pressure point against the distal, flat wristed, cocked fist of the inert primary lever(left arm). Centripetal force will kick in immediately to pull and divert the primary lever into a circular motion on an inclined plane. Kelley describes it in 2-K as Centripetal Force diverting Linear Force into a rotating motion. The uncocking of the elbow facilitates the fastest and most precise transfer of this linear right arm force to the cocked left fist even if a kinetic chain of force has flowed into the elbow from the ground up.
As to your karate chop question, I think if you read 6-B-3-O-1 carefully you may come to understand that the uncocking of the right forearm vertically from the top does feel like a karate chop to some but the ulnar side blade of the left hand replaces the ulnar side blade of the right hand as the front of the chop that knifes through the air and can slash through wooden planks or break a brick that gets in its way. The right hand palm should start and remain perpendicular to this left hand blade throughout the motion.
That is a tremendous description! Will try this as soon as my lunch hour rolls around - the second paragraph above is a real fog clearer for me and shifts my understanding somewhat.
"Hold the club firmly with the last three fingers of the left hand, let the left arm act as a guide and whack the hell out of the ball with the right hand."
"The more you can get your hands ahead of the clubface in the downswing, the more power you can apply with the right hand."
Some quotes from Tommy Armour's book How to Play Your Best Golf All The Time.
CoopHitter don't be a stranger on the site I enjoyed reading your posts.
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