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Old 02-24-2006, 07:18 PM
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Whoa.....that's why he left those outta the book?

That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard....
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Old 02-24-2006, 09:15 PM
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That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard....
Would have been bumb if it was an accident or oversight. Without knowing the man's defence, I'm more inclined to call it a disgrace.
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Powerdraw and Colonel 12 Piece,

Colonel, please scan in Plate 35. That is a Backswing photo. Then, put Plates 35 and 45 side-by-side in comparison mode. The Top (long iron) and the Start Down (mid-iron) will be obvious.

Also scan in Plate 37, which is a front view of this exact alignment. Here the Hands similarly have already re-traced from the End of the Stroke to the Top (Hands Right Shoulder High and On Plane). It is with a long iron, but the comparison is still relevant. Especially with regards to the Pivot Lag -- Hips leading Shoulders and the Loaded Power Package in the Downstroke.
I ain't steppin' in a Green hornet's nest . . . my mama didn't raise no fool . . . well maybe she did.

I skipped my nap at work to post these bad boys. Ain't got no scanner at home and left the book at work. So you'll have to wait until Monday. I would agree with your analysis of the pic though. The other sequence shows the same thing right?

How 'bout this though Cap. . . . Check out Iron B's hands and the plane shift in the sequence with the Hogan brim compared to Plate 45. We are seeing a 10-7-G Reverse Loop Shift here, which we don't see in Plate 45, right? Also, chould you comment on the patented Byron Knee Sag (Double Anchor) through ball?

I'll get it up . . . on Monday when I'm on The Man's time.



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Old 02-24-2006, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
Powerdraw and Colonel 12 Piece,

Have ye no faith in 'ol Yoda?

What I said was that Plate 45 is a model Start Down, and that is exactly what I meant. Clearly, it is a Start Down with the leading Downstroke Body Turn having already Loaded the Power Package Lag. It is not a Backswing, despite the label erroneously applied by the editor and the accompanying analysis by, presumably, the author. As proof, compare the left thigh pant creases in Plate 43 ("Start of the Backswing") with those of Plate 45. As they do in other sequences in the book, the creases should have become more 'slack' as the Hip Turn increased and the Knee moved further into the Backstroke. Instead, the creases were stretched out in Plate 45 by the leading Hips and Left Leg in the Downstroke. [These photos are not of the same Stroke but the principle is the same.]

Colonel, please scan in Plate 35. That is a Backswing photo. Then, put Plates 35 and 45 side-by-side in comparison mode. The Top (long iron) and the Start Down (mid-iron) will be obvious.

Also scan in Plate 37, which is a front view of this exact alignment. Here the Hands similarly have already re-traced from the End of the Stroke to the Top (Hands Right Shoulder High and On Plane). It is with a long iron, but the comparison is still relevant. Especially with regards to the Pivot Lag -- Hips leading Shoulders and the Loaded Power Package in the Downstroke.

By the way, how about that Ball Boy out in the distance (just under Byron's forehead)? A forgotten part of the Game. I used to love watching the legends at Augusta -- Snead, Hogan, Demaret and Nelson -- firing directly at their caddies. In the case of that group, the caddies deserved Hazardous Duty Pay!
Here you go. Sorry about the difference in size. The host site crashed that had the first files.

PLATE 35

PLATE 45

PLATE 37

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Originally Posted by Yoda
Sorry for the temporary hijack of this 'One Piece' thread, but I couldn't help myself. Plate #45 above may the all-time great model for a correct Start Down. The Sweetspot, the Clubface, the Clubshaft, the Hands and the Flat Left Wrist, the Right Shoulder all aligned perfectly with the Baseline of the Inclined Plane. And the Right Forearm Flying Wedge is supporting that Action beautifully. It just doesn't get any better than this.

Thanks for posting, Colonel!
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Mr. Yoda... plate #45 looks like a backswing picture. Is Mr. Nelson also in this same aligmment at Start Down, or are you saying that this would be IDEAL if one was in this condition at Start Down?-------------- I see now there has been some discussion about this.

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Byron In Wonderland -- Where Down Is Up
As I scan through Byron Nelson's 1946 classic, Winning Golf, I see that Plate 55 also has been mislabeled "Backswing." This time, the error is even more egregious: The Stroke is through Start Down and well into the Downstroke. Even whoever wrote the accompanying text seemed to realize that something different was going on:

"The wrists have cocked considerably more than they do in playing a longer iron. The reason -- for short shots you hit the ball more with the hands and arms."

No, the reason the "wrists have cocked considerably more" is because it is a Downstroke photo, not a Backstroke photo! It is stuff like this that caused Homer Kelley to ignore the text of the golf books of his day and focus on the photos themselves.

Still not a bad idea!
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