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[EdZ]

I'm sure this can all get 'hammered' out

[johngolf33]

Good question, John. As usual!

You would still have a straight line Angle of Approach, but remember, with 10-5-A, you Trace the true Geometric Plane Line. And when you do this, the Clubhead Covers its curved Visual Equivalent, the Arc of Approach (the Clubhead Blur through Impact and Low Point). It therefore cannot Cover the straight line Visual Equivalent, the Angle of Approach (also through Impact and Low Point).

Hitters using 10-5-E as their Baseline do not Trace the (Geometric) Plane Line of 10-5-A and hence do not Cover its Arc of Approach. Instead, they abandon the Tracing concept altogether and Cover the Angle of Approach, the straight line -- not curved -- Visual Equivalent of the true Geometric Plane Line.

Thanks Yoda,

That certainy clears up some fog. Awesome post!

[12 piece bucket]

Some illustrations AND Photographs of golfers executing these motions would really help...Yoda tell us who...we'll get the pics and betwen Leo and myself we can perform the illustrations you provide the insight and take the lead!!!!


Annikan

How about the picture in Eldrick's book with the overhead shot? You could draw all kinds of colored lines on that bad boy.

[tongzilla]

Yes.

Yes.

But as I said (and continue to say ) ...

The Hitter's Angle of Approach procedure does not utilize the true Geometric Plane Line.

Yes! That means the Hitter doesn't give a fish's tit about the true Geometric Plane Line, i.e. he does not attempt to Trace it it any way. All he cares about is covering the Angle of Approach with the Clubhead. In that sense, "the Hitter's Angle of Approach procedure does not utilize the true Geometric Plane Line." However, it still doesn't change the fact that the Plane Line has to be Traced (1-L-6), regardless of the procedure you are using. And we've confirmed on our last post that this is the Geometric Plane Line from which the Angle of Approach is derived from.

[Mike O]

Hi Mike O. You have a handle on Paddlewheel. The visual rotation of the Paddle Wheel gives me problems. Does the wheel
go clockwise or counterclockwise. Seems to me that swinging
with horizontal hinging would use a clockwise rotation with the
left hand rotating clockwise through impact, but with hitting
and angular hinging, the wheel would have to be rotating counter
clockwise to produce the layback. Please help me to get the
visual concept. Thanks, Donn

Donn,
Paddlewheel just means something moving in a certain plane- around an axis. Horizontal hinging is just like the motion of a door- think of a revolving door.

Consider the right forearm on plane moving to impact- and it's also rotating around a center (circle) so you could call that - right forearm paddlewheel motion.

So you could use the term Paddlewheel motion- for alot of things in the golf swing- any period of motion, regarding anything- that A) is moving in the same-consistent plane of motion and B) that is moving through angular motion - would fit the term. For example, the paddlewheel motion of the on-plane clubshaft, etc.

[tongzilla]

Consider the right forearm on plane moving to impact- and it's also rotating around a center (circle) so you could call that - right forearm paddlewheel motion.

The center being the right elbow? The left shoulder?

[dkerby]

Thanks for the reply Mike O. Sure value your information.
I have just been confused because the back wheel of a riverboat
seems to rotate counter clock wise, where as the Paddle wheel of Homer Kelley seem to rotate clockwise.
Thanks again, Donn

[Bagger Lance]

The center being the right elbow? The left shoulder?

Updating my post here...Clubface Paddlewheel Action is performed as a hinge motion around an axis vertical to one of the three basic planes. So the left shoulder would be your center.
See 2-G.

The right forearm paddle wheel motion is responsible for guiding the entire left arm flying wedge into and through impact.

Bagger

[cometgolfer]

Thanks to all participating in this thread. It's lifted a river(boat) of fog for me.

Special thanks to Mike O who made me feel a little less stupid regarding my frustration and confusion with the different use of "paddlewheel motion" throughout the book, and for a very interesting perspective on the construction of the book. The more I come to understand it, the more I respect the genius of Homer Kelly.

CG

[Mike O]

Thanks for the reply Mike O. Sure value your information.
I have just been confused because the back wheel of a riverboat
seems to rotate counter clock wise, where as the Paddle wheel of Homer Kelley seem to rotate clockwise.
Thanks again, Donn

Donn,
Per my prior post- It's really the principle of the paddlewheel- not any particular specifics that you want to focus on. Regarding your comment "the back wheel of a riverboat seems to rotate counter clock wise"- that would of course depend on what side of it that your on. If the wheel was pushing the boat forward then from one side the wheel would be rotating clockwise but if you went around to the other side of the boat it would be rotating counter clockwise.

Then from any particular side- whether it was moving clockwise or not, would depend on whether the boat was moving in forward gear or reverse gear.

Paddlewheel motion is a rotating motion of an entity (could be any entity) in a particular plane (could be any plane), for a particular period of time (could be any period of time).

Regarding Tong's question- "right forearm paddlewheel motion- what center Right Elbow or Left Shoulder?" The same applies- in regards to this discussion- it's not important what the center is- just so that there is a rotating motion- the center could be moving or changing but as long as the forearm was making an on-plane motion and rotating i.e. not moving in a straight line- then it would have paddlewheel motion. My term circle - implying a center - would probably have better stated as just - angular motion of the right forearm.

In summary, I still think that Mr. Kelley was really unclear(- what a surprise!) on this issue when you look at the different ways that he used it, throughout the book. I've touched on the principle of this concept- I guess if people need to chew on it more - then using or understanding specific examples in the book or asking questions regarding specific examples in the book would be the best way to identify and verify the principle.