There's a bit of mistaken identity here, Weightshift.
Lee Dietrick (ldeit) supplied the Tomasello Video Letter Series.
Delaware Golf supplied its predecessor, the Tomasello in Australia Series.
Thanks. Yes, he appears a lot older in the Video Letter series -- and in the other series I seem to remember him saying "..here in Australia.." at one point. Such a pity that he is no longer with us, I would have loved to have met him.
<B>jim_0068</B> has provided "<i>paddle wheel motion is a slow consistant closing motion from the end of your backswing to impact usually used with hitters. It's closing and un-cocking at the same time at a steady speed all the way downplane. Swingers t[d]o the opposite, it's a sequenced release meaning they first un-cock and then roll into impact</i>"
Having, yourself, closely worked with Homer Kelley, do you have any "inside knowledge" as to why a paddle wheel was chosen? Feathering or partly feathering the blades of a paddle wheel, while the wheel is rotating at a constant speed, could be used to control the speed of the vessel. Frankly, I don't see the connection to the golf swing.
Having, yourself, closely worked with Homer Kelley, do you have any "inside knowledge" as to why a paddle wheel was chosen? Feathering or partly feathering the blades of a paddle wheel, while the wheel is rotating at a constant speed, could be used to control the speed of the vessel. Frankly, I don't see the connection to the golf swing.
The Paddlewheel reference has nothing to do with Zone #2 (Clubhead Power) and everything to do with Zone #3 (Clubface Alignment).
The blades of a paddlewheel remain vertical to their axis of rotation. So, too, does the golfer's Flat Left Wrist remain vertical (through Impact) to one of the three Basic Planes (Horizontal, Angled or Vertical). This Left Wrist Paddlewheel Action -- Hinge Action per 2-G -- produces an equivalent Clubface Paddlewheel Action with its corresponding Rhythm (Left Arm and Clubshaft remaining In-Line per 6-B-3-0).
And the basis of it all is the straightening Right Arm (Right Forearm and Elbow Action) executing its own Paddlewheel Motion. It is this Action that directly (Muscularly Hitting) or indirectly (Centrifugally Swinging) drives the Left Arm Flying Wedge and assures the proper Clubface Closing through Impact.
The Paddlewheel reference has nothing to do with Zone #2 (Clubhead Power) and everything to do with Zone #3 (Clubface Alignment).
The blades of a paddlewheel remain vertical to their axis of rotation.
I have a problem with your "remain vertical to" terminology. A blade is either vertical or it is not. Vertical is absolute. I would rephrase this to read "The blades of a paddlewheel remain perpendicular to their axis of rotation", if that is what you mean.
(Oxford Concise Dictionary)
HORIZONTAL: Of, at, the horizon; parallel to the plane of this, at right angles to the vertical.
VERTICAL: Of, at, the vertex or highest point; at the zenith; perpendicular to plane of horizon.
The axis of rotation of a paddlewheel is the spindle on which it turns. At any given moment only two blades can be vertical (absolute) and only two blades can be horizontal (absolute).
You have gone from knowing nothing of a paddlewheel
"Even with all my years in the Navy, I've never seen a paddle wheel -- and can think of nothing that it might do that would illustrate an action in the golf swing. Please explain."
to knowing LOADS
"I have a problem with your "remain vertical to" terminology. A blade is either vertical or it is not. Vertical is absolute. I would rephrase this to read "The blades of a paddlewheel remain perpendicular to their axis of rotation", if that is what you mean.
(Oxford Concise Dictionary)
HORIZONTAL: Of, at, the horizon; parallel to the plane of this, at right angles to the vertical.
VERTICAL: Of, at, the vertex or highest point; at the zenith; perpendicular to plane of horizon.
The axis of rotation of a paddlewheel is the spindle on which it turns. At any given moment only two blades can be vertical (absolute) and only two blades can be horizontal (absolute).
I have a problem with your "remain vertical to" terminology. A blade is either vertical or it is not. Vertical is absolute. I would rephrase this to read "The blades of a paddlewheel remain perpendicular to their axis of rotation", if that is what you mean.
Weightshift:
You are correct in that 'vertical' means 'perpendicular' or 'at right angles to,' and I encourage you to use that term if you prefer. The term is, as you say, "absolute" in that it defines a 90 degree relationship between, e.g., two surfaces. However, that relationship can be with any given plane, not just the horizontal. Which, of course, makes it "relative."
And that is the way the term is used in TGM: Vertical (or perpendicular) relates to each of the Three Basic Planes (Horizontal, Vertical and Angled) and not just to the Horizontal. In other words, it is possible to be Vertical not only to the Horizontal Plane, but also Vertical relative to the Vertical and Angled Planes.
Do this for me:
Stand a pencil on the cover of a book laying on a table. The pencil is perpendicular -- or vertical -- in relation to the book (and its horizontal plane). Now, holding the pencil in place, stand the book upright (in a vertical plane). Though the pencil now may be said to be horizontal (in relation to the horizontal plane), it remains perpendicular, or vertical, to the book (and its now vertical plane). The same holds true when the book is tilted on any angled plane, i.e., the pencil remains perpendicular, or vertical, to the book (and its now angled plane).
Similarly, holding the Flat Left Wrist perpendicular, or Vertical, to any one of the Three Basic Planes of Motion -- Horizontal, Vertical or Angled) imparts its Motion to the Clubface. That is good news, because...
You are correct in that 'vertical' means 'perpendicular' or 'at right angles to,' and I encourage you to use that term if you prefer. The term is, as you say, "absolute" in that it defines a 90 degree relationship between, e.g., two surfaces. However, that relationship can be with any given plane, not just the horizontal. Which, of course, makes it "relative."
And that is the way the term is used in TGM: Vertical (or perpendicular) relates to each of the Three Basic Planes (Horizontal, Vertical and Angled) and not just to the Horizontal. In other words, it is possible to be Vertical not only to the Horizontal Plane, but also Vertical relative to the Vertical and Angled Planes.
Do this for me:
Stand a pencil on the cover of a book laying on a table. The pencil is perpendicular -- or vertical -- in relation to the book (and its horizontal plane). Now, holding the pencil in place, stand the book upright (in a vertical plane). Though the pencil now may be said to be horizontal (in relation to the horizontal plane), it remains perpendicular, or vertical, to the book (and its now vertical plane). The same holds true when the book is tilted on any angled plane, i.e., the pencil remains perpendicular, or vertical, to the book (and its now angled plane).
Similarly, holding the Flat Left Wrist perpendicular, or Vertical, to any one of the Three Basic Planes of Motion -- Horizontal, Vertical or Angled) imparts its Motion to the Clubface. That is good news, because...
We are incorrect in saying that vertical (or perpendicular) means at right angles to. Vertical (or perpendicular) is DEFINED as being at right angles to plane of horizon (ONLY AT RIGHT ANGLES TO PLANE OF HORIZON) not at right angles to anything we choose.
Originally Posted by Yoda
The term is, as you say, "absolute" in that it defines a 90 degree relationship between, e.g., two surfaces.
"Vertical" is absolute in that it is FIXED at right angles to the plane of the horizon. If we wish to define a relationship between two planes at right angles to each other, we must say that they are "at right angles to each other" or "have a 90 degree relationship".
Of all the myriad of possible planes, Vertical and Horizontal planes are special, absolute, cases (defined by Man), as all other (angled) planes fall within these two limits.
'Horizontal', 'Vertical' and 'Angled' are all adjectives but the first two are also nouns e.g. "..to the Vertical"
Originally Posted by Yoda
However, that relationship can be with any given plane, not just the horizontal. Which, of course, makes it "relative."
And that is the way the term is used in TGM
So unfortunate.
No wonder I couldn't understand some of the text!
You are correct in that 'vertical' means 'perpendicular' or 'at right angles to,' and I encourage you to use that term if you prefer. The term is, as you say, "absolute" in that it defines a 90 degree relationship between, e.g., two surfaces. However, that relationship can be with any given plane, not just the horizontal. Which, of course, makes it "relative."
And that is the way the term is used in TGM: Vertical (or perpendicular) relates to each of the Three Basic Planes (Horizontal, Vertical and Angled) and not just to the Horizontal. In other words, it is possible to be Vertical not only to the Horizontal Plane, but also Vertical relative to the Vertical and Angled Planes.
Do this for me:
Stand a pencil on the cover of a book laying on a table. The pencil is perpendicular -- or vertical -- in relation to the book (and its horizontal plane). Now, holding the pencil in place, stand the book upright (in a vertical plane). Though the pencil now may be said to be horizontal (in relation to the horizontal plane), it remains perpendicular, or vertical, to the book (and its now vertical plane). The same holds true when the book is tilted on any angled plane, i.e., the pencil remains perpendicular, or vertical, to the book (and its now angled plane).
Similarly, holding the Flat Left Wrist perpendicular, or Vertical, to any one of the Three Basic Planes of Motion -- Horizontal, Vertical or Angled) imparts its Motion to the Clubface. That is good news, because...
In message <123j0rlfss99o9f@news.supernews.com>, Alan Illeman <illemann@surfbest.net> writes
>I'm studying a book about geometry (of the golf swing) where the
>author describes something being vertical to an angled plane,
>when he really means, IMO, "at right angles to" an angled plane.
>
>I always thought that "vertical" and "horizontal" were absolutes
>(it's either vertical or it isn't) carved in stone, and that all angled
>planes fall between these two fixed limits.
They are almost absolute, but approximations are allowed.
>
>I sought confirmation from my Concise Oxford Dictionary (196
>
>(1)HORIZONTAL: Of, at, the horizon; parallel to a plane of this; at
> right angles to the vertical.
>(2)VERTICAL: Perpendicular to plane of horizon.
>(3)PERPENDICULAR: At right angles to plane of horizon.
Not necessarily; this is the original meaning, but perpendicular can
always be qualified by reference to a different plane or line.
>(4)RIGHT: (of angle) neither acute nor obtuse, of 90 degrees, made
> by lines meeting not obliquely but perpendicularly.
>
>I'm amazed that COD confuses me even more.
>
>http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=perpendicular
>1. Mathematics. Intersecting at or forming right angles.
>2. Being at right angles to the horizontal; vertical. See Synonyms at
> vertical.
>
>If the context is in doubt, how do I decide which of these two
>meanings is appropriate?
The context should always make it clear whether the word is being used
in an absolute sense, or relatively. If no relative is specified, take
it as absolute, meaning vertical or upright.
>If the context is in doubt, how do I decide which of these two
>meanings is appropriate?
The context should always make it clear whether the word is being used
in an absolute sense, or relatively. If no relative is specified, take
it as absolute, meaning vertical or upright.
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Weightshift,
I applaud your research and the intellectual curiosity that inspired it. You are on the right track here.
In TGM, as a Basic Plane of Motion, the term Vertical is used in an absolute sense. As a geometrical alignment, it is used in a relative sense, i.e., defining a right angled relationship to any one of the Three Basic Planes -- Horizontal, Angled or Vertical.
Hybrid Mode
