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Old 05-02-2006, 02:35 PM
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On Line Divots
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Divots indeed are taken 'Down and Out' (1-L #14), but they should not point to the right of the Target. If they do, then you have executed a Closed Plane Line (10-5-E) and, depending on Clubface alignment, the Ball Flight (both initial Direction and Path) will be subject to any number of vagaries.

Remember, you are at the bottom of a circle (Clubhead Orbit) with a Radius (Left Arm and Club) of some five feet. Accordingly, there is not a lot of 'Down' and not a lot of 'Out' left. And some of that Divot is the Club exiting the ground after Low Point and now traveling 'Up and In'. So, while the 'Outward' dimension of Impact is still present and extremely necessary to achieve, it is not enough to send the Divot out to the right.

The goal is a Three-Dimensional Impact -- Downward, Outward and Forward -- and an On Line Divot.
You can spend years "digging it out of the dirt" to learn about this invaluble information.

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Old 05-02-2006, 03:00 PM
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Sorry Lynn I used the wrong description...I understand the down out and through look...open to square and through,..in all my years of playing this crazy game i finally have found a gem of an instructor..thanks LYNN
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Old 05-02-2006, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla

You can spend years "digging it out of the dirt" to learn about this invaluble information.

Or you can hang out at LBG.

The choice is obvious .
I gotta tell ya...

The only reason I 'got there first' -- you would have gotten there eventually on your own -- is because in a 1982 telephone conversation with The Man...

I asked about a phrase he used ("Let's all replace one geometrically carved divot...") in his June 1981 G.O.L.F. Bulletin* for Authorized Instructors.

I thought that 1-L #13 and #14 meant that Divots should point to the right.

But I was wrong, and he told me so.

As I have told you.
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* Perhaps The Golfing Machine, LLC could one day re-publish these copyrighted Bulletins, ideally for everyone, but at least for its Authorized Instructors. Homer Kelley published four -- June and September 1981 and April and December 1982. In March 1986, Sally Kelley resumed the operation and published at least four more. The last I have is dated October 1989. There may be others.
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Old 05-02-2006, 10:45 PM
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Divots should have 3 directions to them if you are using horizontal hinge action:

1) slightly open at begining of divot
2) goes fairly straight all the way to low point
3) begins to turn left due to the full roll and swivel

However as Yoda and I have conversed about something similar before (how big your divots should be) it all depends if you TRULY stay "down" until low point.
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Old 05-02-2006, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jim_0068
Divots should have 3 directions to them if you are using horizontal hinge action:

1) slightly open at begining of divot
2) goes fairly straight all the way to low point
3) begins to turn left due to the full roll and swivel

However as Yoda and I have conversed about something similar before (how big your divots should be) it all depends if you TRULY stay "down" until low point.

....bacon strips or pork chops?
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Old 05-03-2006, 08:50 AM
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Divot Depth -- Breakfast Or Dinner?
Originally Posted by hg

....bacon strips or pork chops?
Divot depth is a function of Ball Location, Plane Angle and Clubface Loft. The further back in the Stance you position the Ball, the steeper the Plane Angle and the greater the Loft of the Club, the more your Divots will tend toward 'pork chops.' The reverse is true for 'bacon strips.'
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Same?
Yoda,

If I only could copy your swing.......

Do both Hitters and Swinger have the same Swivel Action?
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Swivel Action -- Hitter And Swinger
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Do both Hitters and Swinger have the same Swivel Action?
Hitters and Swingers have the same Finish Swivel.

And Swingers using Standard Wrist Action also have a Start Up (Turn) and Release (Roll) Swivel.

But the Hitter avoids both, and instead uses Single Wrist Action (10-18-C #2). This keeps his right palm (and #3 Pressure Point) 'facing the Ball' as long as possible (until the natural action of the Pivot and Arm swing bring both the Left and Right palms On Plane at the Top). The Downstroke reverses this motion and brings the player into Release in position to 'slap the Ball with the palm of the Right Hand.' It is this action that causes the Simultaneous Release Motion (Uncock and Roll) of 4-D-0.
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