A Challenge to AI's and Teachers: The Grasshopper, The Jedi and The PLAN

[bambam]

Stickner, I'll PM you and we'll get this thing posted.

[mrodock]

I hate to say this, but I really think Bucket is lying about being illiterate. No one that is illiterate types "ad nauseam" or has someone else type it for them, even if the spelling is butchered. You are exposed Bucket!

Matt

[4greenfields]

What is your email? I will send you my practice log that I use. It is very detailed and I keep track of precisely what I practice and how well I do each time I practice. I then enter my results into a database and I trend out how I am doing.

I would love to get a copy of the log.

Could you email to: ptimbs@eircom.net please?

Thanks in advance

[lagster]

Many good things here!

I believe many/most people are not practicing well. They may think they are, but often are not very close to doing what they want to do. They may have the correct information, but they simply are not doing what they think they are doing.

Solution... they need to be monitored while they practice. If the student gets the correct information, then is monitored, at least some, during each and every practice session... he will improve, and probably improve drastically. He won't be able to practice wrong.

Many tour players do this. Nearly every time they practice, they have their teacher, or caddie, or someone they trust watching.

If you know you have good information, but are not improving... try to figure out a way to do what I'm suggesting. Eventually, after a sound technique is learned, the player can gradually be reduced off this, until he is monitored less frequently.

[Mike O]

D,


This is one thing that is extremely dissapointing to me about the current onwers of The Golfing Machine. Anybody could have just published the changes as Mr. K saw fit. But who's gonna pick up the ball and run with it? I talked to them on the phone about what's next. I got the impression that they didn't know. They were very nice. But I get the impression that a vision is lacking. I wish them the best. Therer are a lot of tools available now the Mr. K was not fortunate enough to have at his disposal.

The message needs to get out. The Yellow Book was way ahead of it's time. Now technology has caught up. Now people have chance to see the concepts demonstrated such as what's going on at LBG and orrgolf.com etc. We have the information. AI's know how to communicate the concepts. But now it's time to integrate it into a plan for people to get better. Let's get the ball in the endzone.

I'd like to do the 8th edition!

[12 piece bucket]

I'd like to do the 8th edition!

There are two people who could handle it . . . you are one of them. I would love to see the Mike (psych)O edition.

[12 piece bucket]

Many good things here!

I believe many/most people are not practicing well. They may think they are, but often are not very close to doing what they want to do. They may have the correct information, but they simply are not doing what they think they are doing.

Solution... they need to be monitored while they practice. If the student gets the correct information, then is monitored, at least some, during each and every practice session... he will improve, and probably improve drastically. He won't be able to practice wrong.

Many tour players do this. Nearly every time they practice, they have their teacher, or caddie, or someone they trust watching.

If you know you have good information, but are not improving... try to figure out a way to do what I'm suggesting. Eventually, after a sound technique is learned, the player can gradually be reduced off this, until he is monitored less frequently.

I agree. I think our boy Stickner has a fantastic tool. It needs to be out here for all with his blessing of course. I think even if people are not monitored and the have an "outline" where they can measure there improvement e.g. I hit can now hit 6 out of 10 chips from 30 pace inside a 10 foot circle. They will get better. Bottom line as annikan said this game is ultimately about getting the ball in the hole.

[12 piece bucket]

Hey man . . . could you give an explanation of your practice routine for each area of the game that you have outlined in the spreadsheet? Basically how you go about your business and how long it to for you to reduce your handicap from 7.8 to 2?

You rock dude!

[neil]

I believe many don't know the difference between practice and playing -I thought I did before old Waverly.It turned out I had been practising for about 20% of the time. It is very difficult to go to a practice area and be totally motion oriented whilst hitting a ball,ignoring ballflight and target.It is then difficult to force yourself to hit a bucket of balls with acquired motion,let alone basic motion. Those of us who can be disciplined will improve-and it is all in the book.Practice can be done 95% at HOME. I believe people really need to understand the basics of the book before trying to build a stroke pattern and good teachers will teach the basic ,short strokes which can be succesfully monitored by the student. This does not stop you from going into playing mode,just go and play . You may transfer your practice feel into your play very quickly-or not...but first of all learn-REALLY LEARN what practice is- then what to practice. Most of you on this site will think I'm insulting your intelligence ,I can assure you that is not the intent. This post is written by an amatuer who is just trying to play better and who spent years only "playing"-even on the range.I have since learned what practice is and have worked as hard as I can(work permitting),mostly at home. I pass on the above advice so that other begginers may avoid years of fruitless "practice". In the past 6weeks since old waverly may game has begun to change.Of course it could just be coincidence

[Sbark]

Stickner, I'll PM you and we'll get this thing posted.

will this be posted onto this thread..... or into training aids or some other folder?