What do you believe centrifugal force is acting on?
"This throw out action is termed herein as 'Centrifugal Acceleration' to indicate that Centrifugal Force (Centrifugal Reaction), not muscle, is propelling the Secondary Lever Assembly (the golf club) into Impact. So swingers are totally dependant on their skill at manipulating Centrifugal Force while Hitters are not."
Are you saying that the word "propelling" does not have any association with force or power?
I ask again, what was the centrifugal force acting on?
...and people have a dig at me about what I write?!
If you are uncomfortable with what I write, ask questions.
The right forearm in a swingers stroke is driven into impact by the right shoulder going downplane to throw the entire right flying wedge into impact. You turn an axis to spin a flywheel.... the right arm continually being pulled towards a straight line at 90 degrees to the turning axis (think chinese drum), but the checkrein of the left arm maintains the bend in the right arm whilst the aiming point of pp3 controls the precision of the clubheads motion around two centers.
The centrifugal force is the secondary lever assembly and the right flying wedge getting thrown into impact via the right shoulder motion...just like a chinese drum.
"Drum technique. Understand?" - Mr Miyagi
"Is there a counterpunch in the technique?" - Daniel-san
Sorry. If that means anything related to this discussion I don't know what it is. I'll just pick up on the words "centrifugal force" and try to keep things focussed on that. Otherwise we are back with Humpty Dumpty a few posts above, and words can mean whatever you want them to mean.
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The centrifugal force is the secondary lever assembly and the right flying wedge getting thrown into impact via the right shoulder motion...just like a chinese drum.
...and the centrifugal force acts on?
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Sorry. If that means anything related to this discussion I don't know what it is. I'll just pick up on the words "centrifugal force" and try to keep things focussed on that. Otherwise we are back with Humpty Dumpty a few posts above, and words can mean whatever you want them to mean.
...and the centrifugal force acts on?
The right arm and flying wedge driving the secondary lever assembly and its onplane relationship with the axis of rotation - right shoulder... why do I have to repeat myself....
Spin a chinese drum, what powers it ?
Perhaps you think the strings are pulling the hands - if you do your intellect is rivaled only by that of garden tools...
Perhaps again you can reference the words "centrifugal powered swing" from the golfing machine....
The right arm and flying wedge driving the secondary lever assembly and its onplane relationship with the axis of rotation - right shoulder... why do I have to repeat myself....
You tell me.
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Spin a chinese drum, what powers it ?
You tell me and we'll both know.
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Perhaps you think the strings are pulling the hands - if you do your intellect is rivaled only by that of garden tools...
You may care to retract that. That's the second personal attack
you've made on me. It doesn't promote your argument at all. In
fact it is probably counter-productive.
Disagree with what I say by all means.
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Perhaps again you can reference the words "centrifugal powered swing" from the golfing machine....
Read above. What does "propelling" mean to you?
Does it have any connotations of force or power?
Now that I'm here can we stick to physics?
As I asked before
...and what does the centrifugal force act on?
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Because you didn't bother to read a book before feeling the desire to critique.
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You tell me and we'll both know.
Relative to the object - the turning axis is the work involved to create the centripetal force - the string becomes taut - centrifugal force
The faster it spins the more the string becomes at 90 degrees to its axis.....remember it hits the drum "Drum technique. Understand?"
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You may care to retract that. I don't think personal attacks are welcome here.
No I said if you thought something your intellect rivals gardening tools - I did not say your intellect rivals gardening tools - subtle but important difference....
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Read above. What does "propelling" mean to you?
Does it have any connotations of force or power?
Propelling means setting something in motion. Regarding power, heed the words of Mr Miyagi - "Ask drum."
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I want to talk about the physics.
It looks like the old "you have to understand every sentence
before you can understand any sentence" defence to me.
It does help if you understand what your referencing.
Relative to the object - the turning axis is the work involved to create the centripetal force - the string becomes taut - centrifugal force
Ok, and the centrifugal force acts on?
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No I said if you thought something your intellect rivals gardening tools - I did not say your intellect rivals gardening tools - subtle but important difference....
I missed the straw man argument, but don't mince words. You intended to either be unkind or show your superiority. Either way it is a personal attack.
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Propelling means setting something in motion.
...and in the context of swinging a golf club that requires?
Propelling is a very well known and understood word. It involves application of force, and the rate of application of force is power. Centrifugal force does not power anything, let alone the golf swing. Either directly or indirectly, Homer said that centrifugal force causes the throw out effect and this makes the clubhead go faster. Centrifugal force does not cause the throw out effect.
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It does help if you understand what your referencing.
So explain the misunderstandings. I've explained that Homer either misunderstood or deliberately misrepresented centrifugal force. I've explained the misunderstanding of the rock and string example. I've explained the common misunderstanding about what the endless belt model shows. Go for it! Tell me where I'm wrong. I can assure you though, that TGM vernacular is not at all essential to understanding centrifugal force. You may also wish to quote something from the TGM book which shows that Homer really did get it right about centrifugal force.
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The right arm and flying wedge driving the secondary lever assembly and its onplane relationship with the axis of rotation - right shoulder... why do I have to repeat myself....
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I missed the straw man argument, but don't mince words. You intended to either be unkind or show your superiority. Either way it is a personal attack.
No I mean't it as an arguement is absurd....thats your interpretation....
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...and in the context of swinging a golf club that requires?
Propelling is a very well known and understood word. It involves application of force, and the rate of application of force is power. Centrifugal force does not power anything, let alone the golf swing. Either directly or indirectly, Homer said that centrifugal force causes the throw out effect. This is wrong.
propel
verb
1. To set or keep going: actuate, drive, impel, mobilize, move, run. See move/halt.
2. To launch with great force: fire, hurtle, loose, project, shoot. Idioms: let fly. See move/halt.
3. To force to move or advance with or as if with blows or pressure: drive, push, ram, shove, thrust. See move/halt.
4. To stir to action or feeling: egg on, excite, foment, galvanize, goad, impel, incite, inflame, inspire, instigate, motivate, move, pique, prick, prod, prompt, provoke, set off, spur, stimulate, touch off, trigger, work up. See cause/effect, excite/bore/interest.
Congrats you've figured out that centrifugal force doesn't power anything and it is an effect we deal with - now tell me where Homer says "centrifugal powered swing"... The throw-out action is an action of the right arm which is kept onplane by the right shoulder turning the axis to spin the flywheel - centrifugal force propelling/moving/advancing/launch the secondary lever assembly/right flying wedge/right arm acc#1 into impact just like that string on the drum except it is checkreined against the left arm.... "Drum technique. Understand?"
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So explain the misunderstandings. I've explained how Homer either misunderstood or deliberately misrepresented centrifugal force. I've explained the misunderstanding of the string example. I've explained the common misunderstanding of the endless belt. Go for it! Tell me where I'm wrong. I can assure you though, that TGM vernacular are not at all essential to understanding centrifugal force. Alternatively show me something from the TGM book which shows that Homer really did get it right about centrifugal force.
No, its your job to understand... I should be able to communicate this way with you. Just like a physicist needs to understand Einstein or X physicists theories before trying to disprove ... The onus is on you.....
The String in TGM is the Longitudinal Center of Gravity or termed herein the Sweetspot Plane..I have a Training Aid with a String from the #3PP to directly to the CG of the head.....While Centrepetal force pulls it in a circle...Centrifugal force changes the length of this string...
The String in TGM is the Longitudinal Center of Gravity or termed herein the Sweetspot Plane.
The Golf Club's Longitudinal Center of Gravity is its Sweetspot (2-F). In other words, it is the Club's center of gravity when the Club is held lengthwise. It is neither the 'string' (the Left Arm and Clubshaft to which the Sweetspot is attached) nor the plane of motion (upon which the Sweetspot orbits).
The Golf Club's Longitudinal Center of Gravity is the Sweetspot (2-F). In other words, it is the Club's center of gravity when the Club is held lengthwise. It is neither the 'string' (the Left Arm and Clubshaft to which the Sweetspot is attached) nor the plane of motion (upon which the Sweeptspot orbits).
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