Jim himself mentioned that he wished he had called it "Arms oriented" and "Body oriented" swings. He's a bit tired of the hair splitting about the two swing types...takes away from the intended points.
When I read the above, I became even more confused what he is trying to say ...
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And basically I am also very curious about this. As a swinger with a Body Orientated swing like JH, he advocate that the right elbow is behind the hip at impact and that IS the KEY to accuracy and great impact. And he mentioned that Ben Hogan at his peak have his right elbow behind his hip at impact.( is that true?)
However here , tried and tested i learned a more natural way is bump left and let the arm/body lead the hip, flat left wrist and POW! . great and a more relaxed and natural movements. However , it feels like the right elbow is more in front of the hip or not neccesarry in front?
So .. Which is a more repeatable and prefered way? Any clarification is great. Hope to learn a little bit more
Thank you !
Sorry i sounded confused because I am !... or Should I?
Just take a look at Hogan on the front of his book the 5 Fundamental's...his right elbow is in front of his right hip...
Mr. Hardy thinks it is a big mistake to try to horse that right elbow up in front of the right hip. He does not really go into HITTING vs. SWINGING.
I talked to him briefly about this elbow subject one time. He said to look at a big "coffee table" book about Hogan. He said there is a picture in there that clearly shows where his elbow was. It was not in front. (It was more of a TGM "PUNCH" position.)
I believe he thinks that Mr. Hogan didn't really do what he felt like he did.
Now... we TGMers know that some very good players do have the elbow in front. Some ways of getting it there... are probably better than others. The elbow, however, does not have to be in front. Jim Furyk is an example of this.
I spent quite a bit of time watching the Shells match and Hogan's right elbow is definitely behind his hip at impact. Hardy said that after the accident, I believe, is when Hogan kept the elbow back until after impact. He said this helped him avoid the hook. I don't know, makes a helluva lot of sense to me.
When I look at Yoda and Hogan swinging, the pictures look
like the right right elbow is in the line of sight to the
ball before release. When I look at pictures of Yoda Luke
hitting, the right elbow does not appear to get in the line
of sight before releasing. From what I read from Homer
Kelley, he does not limit line of sight, for the right elbow,
to either hitters or swinger. Don't get me wrong, I think
that Yoda Luke has on of the best swings of anybody. I guess
the question is: Do hitters, with the elbow behind the hip,
tend to get the right elbow in the line of sight late or not
at all?
This is taken from 2 weeks no swinging and a herniated disc ... got a bandaid wrap around my waist but.. thats my bad excuse for overswinging and not bumping to the left as much as i should.
my elbow is behind and I do feel much better results if i could get my right arms more underhand pitch motion in the downswing and elbow slightly in front of body . working on it, still on and off affair.
The thing is , I personally don't feel right behind the hip is correct
When I look at Yoda and Hogan swinging, the pictures look
like the right right elbow is in the line of sight to the
ball before release. When I look at pictures of Yoda Luke
hitting, the right elbow does not appear to get in the line
of sight before releasing. From what I read from Homer
Kelley, he does not limit line of sight, for the right elbow,
to either hitters or swinger. Don't get me wrong, I think
that Yoda Luke has on of the best swings of anybody. I guess
the question is: Do hitters, with the elbow behind the hip,
tend to get the right elbow in the line of sight late or not
at all?
Indeed, the Swinger's Pitch Basic Stroke (10-3-B) is conducive to greater Trigger Delay than the Hitter's Punch Basic Stroke (10-3-A).
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