Actually that helps a great deal, thanks Ted. A couple of other things that are still murky for me, I believe that it is mentioned that in Hitting one should used a progressivly closed clubface at address for longer and longer shots, I understand the rationale but closed compared to what? the plane line?
Also, which plane angle do you prefer to use in your pattern? Turned shoulder (10-6-B)?
Actually that helps a great deal, thanks Ted. A couple of other things that are still murky for me, I believe that it is mentioned that in Hitting one should used a progressivly closed clubface at address for longer and longer shots, I understand the rationale but closed compared to what? the plane line?
Also, which plane angle do you prefer to use in your pattern? Turned shoulder (10-6-B)?
Thanks for your patience Ted.
Tim
No worries. I happy to help, when I can.
The Clubhead has a Line of Flight. And, the ball has a Line of Flight, which is dependant on Clubface. The ball always leaves at a right angle to the Clubface, so the Clubface must be square to the ball Line of Flight at separation, not the 10-5-E Plane Line.
It's a dilemma for the novice Hitter, as most want to keep the Clubface square to the Plane Line. Even if they start correctly, they'll steer to match the two Lines of Flight. It seems rather instinctive.
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke
No worries. I happy to help, when I can.
The Clubhead has a Line of Flight. And, the ball has a Line of Flight, which is dependant on Clubface. The ball always leaves at a right angle to the Clubface, so the Clubface must be square to the ball Line of Flight at separation, not the 10-5-E Plane Line.
It's a dilemma for the novice Hitter, as most want to keep the Clubface square to the Plane Line. Even if they start correctly, they'll steer to match the two Lines of Flight. It seems rather instinctive.
And, yes, I do use 10-6-B.
This thread is AMAZING! It's unbelievable how a change in prespective can demonstrate something that is so subtle that most gloss right over it when reading the book.
Two additional points to be explored . . .
1. Ted . . . do you think we could get a demonstration of the 10-5-E line versus the 10-5-A line from an OVERHEAD PERSPECTIVE? I think this would clearly show a definite relationship to the on-plane right forearm. And help people see the geometry.
2. We spoke awhile back about a geometric relationship between the 10-5-A line and the 10-5-E line . . . are you prepared to present us with your thesis? I would love to see it and I think it would go a long way to getting people to understand all this "how far out to right field" and "no visual equivalent to a visual equivalent" stuff.
I placed a portion of your post in bold . . . I think this is something that we all could benefit from by a bit more expansion on the subject . . . HOW DO YOU GET A "NEOPHITE" HITTER TO ABANDON THE FEAR OF NOT HAVING THE FACE SQUARE TO THE PLANE LINE AND MATCHING THE TWO LINES OF FLIGHT?
This thread is pure genius! Superb job on the camera work! This will clear a bunch of fog for many . . . if they are willing to read and understand.
I placed a portion of your post in bold . . . I think this is something that we all could benefit from by a bit more expansion on the subject . . . HOW DO YOU GET A "NEOPHITE" HITTER TO ABANDON THE FEAR OF NOT HAVING THE FACE SQUARE TO THE PLANE LINE AND MATCHING THE TWO LINES OF FLIGHT?
This thread is pure genius! Superb job on the camera work! This will clear a bunch of fog for many . . . if they are willing to read and understand.
Great job!
Thanks Bucket,
I'll try to give you my perspective when Hitting. I see both the lines at Address. I imagine a dowel laying in front of the ball as my Ball Line of Flight. And, I imagine a dowel laying in front of the ball as the extension of the 10-5-E Plane Line, out to right field.
I use the first dowel to align my Clubface. Once I'm done with the Clubface alignment, that imaginary dowel evaporates. Then, the only thing is see is the Clubhead covering the Plane Line (the 2nd imaginary dowel) in my waggle above the ball.
As an aside: The same 'matching' of Clubface and Plane Line can be Deadly in a bunker, when using Open-Open.
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As we have mentioned Neophite Hitters in this thread and as I consider myself to be one, Ted, could you post a picture with actual dowels on the ground to illustrate what you were talking about in your latest post, i.e. one to represent the Line of flight of the ball and one "as the extension of the 10-5-E Plane Line, out to right field". It would help with the age old question, how far out to right are we talking, atleast for your pattern?
Why does your Right Forearm at the Top look in-line with and directly opposed to the motion of the Loading Action of the Secondary Lever Assembly (the Clubshaft), as oppose to the entire Primary Lever Assembly (the Left Arm and Clubshaft)? I thought the latter is more suitable fo the Hitter (per 7-3).
Tong-Tong..I asked him the same question on the phone....perhaps it has more to do with elbow location...pitch versus punch.....remember the elbow location does not make hitting or swinging mutually exclusive...Nicklaus swung with punch...Miller Barber with Push....Is it possible to hit with pitch???
Perhaps a 4 barrel hitter needs to load that way?
Start down is the same as swinging.
Isn't punch or pitch elbow position defined at the release point?
Perhaps a 4 barrel hitter needs to load that way?
Start down is the same as swinging.
Isn't punch or pitch elbow position defined at the release point?
Bagger
Nice one Bagger! How come I didn't think of that . I like that answer. Looking at the "Hitters Row" video of Ted in the Gallery, it looks like his hands are Turned to the Plane at Release Point (suggesting Standard Wrist Action which goes hand in hand with a Pitch Basic Elbow as Annikan said).
I believe you can't get the amount of delayed release in Ted's swing without doing the above. If he was really Drive Loading, it would look more like 10-19-A #1 (note the photo is with Zero Wrist Action, so in reality there would be a little more Wristcock).
Nice one Bagger! How come I didn't think of that . I like that answer. Looking at the "Hitters Row" video of Ted in the Gallery, it looks like his hands are Turned to the Plane at Release Point (suggesting Standard Wrist Action which goes hand in hand with a Pitch Basic Elbow as Annikan said).
I believe you can't get the amount of delayed release in Ted's swing without doing the above. If he was really Drive Loading, it would look more like 10-19-A #1 (note the photo is with Zero Wrist Action, so in reality there would be a little more Wristcock).
Could Ted be a Four Barrel Swinger?
Awwww hell naw!!!! No you didn't.
Teddy Ballgame . . . Please set the record straight . . . You demonstrated to me how the 10-5-E plane line can make you LOOK LIKE you got Pitch in your Punch. But it's still Punch. Perspective . . .
. I like that answer. Looking at the "Hitters Row" video of Ted in the Gallery, it looks like his hands are Turned to the Plane at Release Point (suggesting Standard Wrist Action which goes hand in hand with a Pitch Basic Elbow as Annikan said).
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