I agree Tong Tong..Learning to Aim the Logo or a is all rubbish...Unfortunatley most golfers are so ignorant to the fact they are putting with putters..they will never aim..I mean NEVER...no matter how often they practice or eye doctors or psychiatrists...or???????
Do you think a degree of loft would affect aim?
How about 1/16 of a degree of offset?
How about the Head design of a long,skinny rectangle versus a fat half circle?
What about color of Head material?
What about the Location of the Line on the Top Line or the Flange or no line at all?
I agree Tong Tong..Learning to Aim the Logo or a is all rubbish...Unfortunatley most golfers are so ignorant to the fact they are putting with putters..they will never aim..I mean NEVER...no matter how often they practice or eye doctors or psychiatrists...or???????
Do you think a degree of loft would affect aim?
How about 1/16 of a degree of offset?
How about the Head design of a long,skinny rectangle versus a fat half circle?
What about color of Head material?
What about the Location of the Line on the Top Line or the Flange or no line at all?
The height of the Toe versus the Heel?
The Lie angle?
Left Eye versus Right Eye?
Ball location?
Plane of the Eyes...right., parallel or left?
Distance from the ball?
and so....and... so on!!!
I'd have to disagree with Tong, only on one point. I like the eyes and head swivel for the straight liners. I think that's very good information. But, there are those that see curves. Let's not forget them. When one uses a visually curved path, the (straight line) head swivel must be abandoned. The head will move in any way that it must to let the eyes trace the curved path that the ball will take. Some see the straight line that shoots 2 ½ cups outside the hole. Some see the entire path of the ball which is the curved line. Some see both. There are some that don't visualize the straight line, so there can't be one way for the head to move.
It might be interesting to ask everyone what they use.
When you see a curved line, does that mean you physically try to putt the ball in a curved line? I don't think so. Instead, you still make a STRAIGHT PUTT, but the slope is what causes the ball to curve.
For those curved liners out there, whether you realise it or not, you have automatically seen the straight line once you have visualised the curved path of the ball. The straight line is simply the starting direction of the curved path.
Vice versa for straight liners. You cannot know where to point your straight line unless you can visualise how the ball is going to curve into the hole. By seeing one you see the other.
When you see a curved line, does that mean you physically try to putt the ball in a curved line? I don't think so. Instead, you still make a STRAIGHT PUTT, but the slope is what causes the ball to curve.
For those curved liners out there, whether you realise it or not, you have automatically seen the straight line once you have visualised the curved path of the ball. The straight line is simply the starting direction of the curved path.
Vice versa for straight liners. You cannot know where to point your straight line unless you can visualise how the ball is going to curve into the hole. By seeing one you see the other.
I see both, and as a result will make friendly wagers with anyone on the putting green.
One of my best friends says he cannot see the curved path of the ball when he's putting. He understands the elementary fundamentals of slope and gravity, and he takes them into consideration in assessment of the putt. But, he cannot see the curved shape when putting. His lowest 4 day total in an event is 15 under par, so what does he know (straight liner)?
Anyone that can putt it into a hole smaller than the Grand Canyon understands that line is first and distance is second. By getting the initial direction first (straight line for Clubface and Plane Line tracing), then seeing the distance needed (Power Regulation on the curved line), putts can be made. This separation of duties is a must.
If you've done your homework (practice), then you should be able to trace a straight line with a Hinge Action. If you're playing, you should be able to visualize the ball going into the hole.
The practicer or technician, doesn't like the swirling wind that wreaks havoc on his trusted Venturi Effect, when hitting a shot into the air. The slopes on the green are out of his control, as would be the swirling wind. He doesn't like to see something knocking his ball off line.
The player or artist in putting sees the slopes on the green as if he could judge the swirling wind affecting a full shot. He permits gravity to have its way with his ball. Technicians don't like the forfeit of control.
I think that there is a blend of technical prowess and art that makes a great putter. IMHO, it's also why two of the greatest technicians in the game were driven to the brink of insanity when putting: Moe Norman and Ben Hogan.
I see both, and as a result will make friendly wagers with anyone on the putting green.
The player or artist in putting sees the slopes on the green as if he could judge the swirling wind affecting a full shot. He permits gravity to have its way with his ball.
I see both... but I 'feel' the curved path when I'm visualizing the putt rolling into the hole.
Nice image - indeed, good putting is like dancing with gravity.
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I see both, and as a result will make friendly wagers with anyone on the putting green.
One of my best friends says he cannot see the curved path of the ball when he's putting. He understands the elementary fundamentals of slope and gravity, and he takes them into consideration in assessment of the putt. But, he cannot see the curved shape when putting. His lowest 4 day total in an event is 15 under par, so what does he know (straight liner)?
Anyone that can putt it into a hole smaller than the Grand Canyon understands that line is first and distance is second. By getting the initial direction first (straight line for Clubface and Plane Line tracing), then seeing the distance needed (Power Regulation on the curved line), putts can be made. This separation of duties is a must.
If you've done your homework (practice), then you should be able to trace a straight line with a Hinge Action. If you're playing, you should be able to visualize the ball going into the hole.
The practicer or technician, doesn't like the swirling wind that wreaks havoc on his trusted Venturi Effect, when hitting a shot into the air. The slopes on the green are out of his control, as would be the swirling wind. He doesn't like to see something knocking his ball off line.
The player or artist in putting sees the slopes on the green as if he could judge the swirling wind affecting a full shot. He permits gravity to have its way with his ball. Technicians don't like the forfeit of control.
I think that there is a blend of technical prowess and art that makes a great putter. IMHO, it's also why two of the greatest technicians in the game were driven to the brink of insanity when putting: Moe Norman and Ben Hogan.
I disagree vehemently on two points, Ted.
Firstly, I think speed comes first. If you break down why putts miss, the first port of call should be whether the capture speed was good or at least close. From there you can determine, whether you have hit the lines chosen and whether you've got a stroke(as in ability to hit on the line you want stroke, whether that be straight line, curved, curvilinear, arcing, or dare I suggest simply a knowledge and ability to putt straight), or whether you can aim straight or not. Then you go to work on whatever weakness needs to be addressed.
Secondly, I think it is a MASSIVE leap to suggest that two of the greatest plane line tracers AND artists to play the game suddenly became bereft of those talents once they stepped on the green.
I disagree vehemently on two points, Ted.
Firstly, I think speed comes first. If you break down why putts miss, the first port of call should be whether the capture speed was good or at least close. From there you can determine, whether you have hit the lines chosen and whether you've got a stroke(as in ability to hit on the line you want stroke, whether that be straight line, curved, curvilinear, arcing, or dare I suggest simply a knowledge and ability to putt straight), or whether you can aim straight or not. Then you go to work on whatever weakness needs to be addressed.
Secondly, I think it is a MASSIVE leap to suggest that two of the greatest plane line tracers AND artists to play the game suddenly became bereft of those talents once they stepped on the green.
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D
I'm not talking about addressing one's weakness. I'm talking about what a person's thinking about when making the stroke. You can have one of two things on the plate, line or speed. Clubface and Plane Line can be established at Address, then they take the backseat. Those that are not thinking about speed (power regulation) when they make the stroke are not as good as they could be.
It's not a massive leap by any stretch of the imagination. I recall one of the legends making a statement that putting shouldn't be part of golf. And, I guess you missed the footage of the other looking like he was putting through a pool of his own vomit in the later part of his career. I've got the video if you'd like to watch...
I agree that one should not think about line control when over the ball.
Whether one should be thinking about speed is up for debate.
"I think that there is a blend of technical prowess and art that makes a great putter. IMHO, it's also why two of the greatest technicians in the game were driven to the brink of insanity when putting: Moe Norman and Ben Hogan."
Norman and Hogan both had this blend.
Norman did not care about putting.
Hogan undervalued it.
Are you saying that Hogan wasn't an artist on the golf course?
And that neither golfer had that blend?
Is it possible that putting demands different technical attributes than the rest of golf?
I would love to one day see your video.
How about a TGM analysis of why Hogan couldn't putt, and/or his artistic deficiencies?
Unfortunatley for all you folks that want it straight..by definiton there is a thing called "curvilinear"...I agree it's not a straight line between two points...but a curved line between to points...Thank God... He made things all different sizes and shapes...otherwise there'd only be one way.....We'd all look the same and Teddy I'd Feel awful sorry if you had to look like me!!!
You see at one point in the history of Man the earth Looked Flat...Why was this....because the horizon appeared "flat, level, and straight"
But some dudes fugured out that the earth was round,uneven,and not very straight"
So is the Golf Swing/Putting Stroke a Straight Line or a Circle ...Ted?......
Yes...I love that answer!!!
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