Over the top cure?

[kmmcnabb]

Thanks for the compliment. Indeed this does work for all that try it. I have found for myself that it can refresh your memory by using it to warm up and stretch. This drill gives the same feeling that you will get with the powerangle pro (I have one, so I know) without having to carry it around in your bag.

Hope the above is clear explaination. Try it. It will work. What I found is that I needed to move my hips laterally toward the target to get room to move my right should down plane. Once I got that feeling (using the drill), it is easier to do.

I don't think I can come over the top at all now. I now find I am hitting it right (no left at all) and am working on my hinge action which I know is not great.

Good luck.

Kevin

[smooth]

Hope the above is clear explaination. Try it. It will work. What I found is that I needed to move my hips laterally toward the target to get room to move my right should down plane. Once I got that feeling (using the drill), it is easier to do.

Thanks Kevin, tried it last night and found quite a big difference to my normal 'feel'

The main thing being is that i now have a LOT more tilt than i did before - feels strange but i guess thats what it should do when you've been used to having your shoulders almost level at impact for so long

Feels almost like i'd be hitting the ball on the upswing with that much tilt... haven't had a chance to hit any balls yet but will try it out.

Thanks again

[smooth]

Hit some balls tonight using the drill mentioned above before each shot. The mid irons were great (7 - 8 irons was approaching from the inside no problems)

However as soon as i went down to the PW or SW i was coming over the top each time.

Anyone got any ideas why I would be more prone to the OTT move with the short irons? (checked i was the right distance away and seemed ok) it was shank city and the tee i placed outside the ball was getting snapped every time....

The smaller the shot the harder it was

[Daryl]

If Homer Kelley wrote a book about the Geometry and Physics of OTT swings, it would be 366 pages. There would be 36 Components and each would have 10 Variations. However I have no doubt that his preferred pattern for Drag Loading 12-2-0 would include:

3- Stroke Basic___H___Right Shoulder Hurl

5- Plane Line_____F___Bent

19- Lag Loading___C___None


Sorry about the above. It’s just my sense of Humor.

A more direct route to cure the OTT move is to start over. Basic motion. Drag the Club. Allow CF to do the work. Drag the Club. Drag the Club. Drag the Club. Keep in mind, that Extensor Action applies to the left shoulder as well. Don't turn the left shoulder under the Chin; rather, stretch it to that location. Tug-of-war. If your left side pulls, then your right side won't push.

[smooth]

A more direct route to cure the OTT move is to start over. Basic motion. Drag the Club. Allow CF to do the work. Drag the Club. Drag the Club. Drag the Club.

Basic motion is ok... it's when i get into acquired motion and start introducing the pivot then the problems start. I can chip a 1000 balls and not shank any of them

[Daryl]

Basic motion is ok... it's when i get into acquired motion and start introducing the pivot then the problems start. I can chip a 1000 balls and not shank any of them

Don't turn the Left Shoulder under the Chin. Stretch it to under the chin.

[smooth]

Don't turn the Left Shoulder under the Chin. Stretch it to under the chin.

Not quite with you there?

[neil]

Basic motion is ok... it's when i get into acquired motion and start introducing the pivot then the problems start. I can chip a 1000 balls and not shank any of them

Try this.
Address the ball,take the club back to the right forearm parallel to the ground position(aquired motion).Do NOT pivot to get to this point.
Right forearm is parallel to the ground with whatever wristcock you normally have at this stage.
Now,keeping your head very still add enough shoulder turn and pivot to get you to the top.It may feel to you like a very "small" move.
Now from this position practice the downstoke waggle,bump the hips parallel to the plane line ,notice how your hands go DOWN ON PLANE.
I too had/have problems with the shorter irons-OVERACCELERATION is my problem,these clubs accelerate very quickly when swung on plane FEEL THE LAG PRESSURE AND SUSTAIN THAT PRESSURE-YOU CANNOT DO IT IF YOU ARE AT ALL QUICK.
Hope this helps as one step along the road.

[smooth]

Try this.
Address the ball,take the club back to the right forearm parallel to the ground position(aquired motion).Do NOT pivot to get to this point.
Right forearm is parallel to the ground with whatever wristcock you normally have at this stage.
Now,keeping your head very still add enough shoulder turn and pivot to get you to the top.It may feel to you like a very "small" move.
Now from this position practice the downstoke waggle,bump the hips parallel to the plane line ,notice how your hands go DOWN ON PLANE.
I too had/have problems with the shorter irons-OVERACCELERATION is my problem,these clubs accelerate very quickly when swung on plane FEEL THE LAG PRESSURE AND SUSTAIN THAT PRESSURE-YOU CANNOT DO IT IF YOU ARE AT ALL QUICK.
Hope this helps as one step along the road.

Thanks Neil, it's just a weird feeling that i'd rather have driver or long iron in my hands than a wedge. Like you said perhaps it's an over acceleration issue with the wedges? i'm not attempting to make a different swing at least

[bambam]

Also had some problems w/ the short irons.

The EdZ "lift and roll"

I was lifting and rolling the club, laying it off at the top, straightening up out of my posture a bit, and would get my weight towards my toes. The more I was bent over the worse it got, so the short irons had the poorest results. I had to think more under and up instead of out and around...helped a lot. My backswing felt short and steep at first, but that "feel" changed quick and often, so verifying it via video was (still is) a must for me. Daryl's drill above would have helped me with this problem

Neil's post was an important topic for me, too.