Over the top cure?

[neil]

Basic motion is ok... it's when i get into acquired motion and start introducing the pivot then the problems start. I can chip a 1000 balls and not shank any of them

Try this.
Address the ball,take the club back to the right forearm parallel to the ground position(aquired motion).Do NOT pivot to get to this point.
Right forearm is parallel to the ground with whatever wristcock you normally have at this stage.
Now,keeping your head very still add enough shoulder turn and pivot to get you to the top.It may feel to you like a very "small" move.
Now from this position practice the downstoke waggle,bump the hips parallel to the plane line ,notice how your hands go DOWN ON PLANE.
I too had/have problems with the shorter irons-OVERACCELERATION is my problem,these clubs accelerate very quickly when swung on plane FEEL THE LAG PRESSURE AND SUSTAIN THAT PRESSURE-YOU CANNOT DO IT IF YOU ARE AT ALL QUICK.
Hope this helps as one step along the road.

[smooth]

Try this.
Address the ball,take the club back to the right forearm parallel to the ground position(aquired motion).Do NOT pivot to get to this point.
Right forearm is parallel to the ground with whatever wristcock you normally have at this stage.
Now,keeping your head very still add enough shoulder turn and pivot to get you to the top.It may feel to you like a very "small" move.
Now from this position practice the downstoke waggle,bump the hips parallel to the plane line ,notice how your hands go DOWN ON PLANE.
I too had/have problems with the shorter irons-OVERACCELERATION is my problem,these clubs accelerate very quickly when swung on plane FEEL THE LAG PRESSURE AND SUSTAIN THAT PRESSURE-YOU CANNOT DO IT IF YOU ARE AT ALL QUICK.
Hope this helps as one step along the road.

Thanks Neil, it's just a weird feeling that i'd rather have driver or long iron in my hands than a wedge. Like you said perhaps it's an over acceleration issue with the wedges? i'm not attempting to make a different swing at least

[bambam]

Also had some problems w/ the short irons.

The EdZ "lift and roll"

I was lifting and rolling the club, laying it off at the top, straightening up out of my posture a bit, and would get my weight towards my toes. The more I was bent over the worse it got, so the short irons had the poorest results. I had to think more under and up instead of out and around...helped a lot. My backswing felt short and steep at first, but that "feel" changed quick and often, so verifying it via video was (still is) a must for me. Daryl's drill above would have helped me with this problem

Neil's post was an important topic for me, too.