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Tripod Center Vote

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View Poll Results: Do you teach/prefer the Base of the Neck Pivot Center OR the Head Pivot Center?
Base of the neck 88 64.71%
Head 24 17.65%
It doesn't matter, the Golf Stroke doesn't need a Pivot Center 2 1.47%
They are both the same because the Head includes the Base of the Neck 22 16.18%
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Old 08-11-2006, 02:11 AM
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For Old Times Sake
It would be valuable to review the wealth of material readily available on this site prior to drawing your conclusions. I said this is a non-issue because the debate has been brought up before, and here we go again. I'm glad that Brian is making this subject one of his "pillars" for teaching, and hopefully it is helping golfers. Homer knew the strengths and weakness of each option and so does Lynn. I'm not going to rehash so here you go.

For old times sake -

LynnBlakeGolf Forums > The Lesson Tee > The Golfing Machine - Advanced > Base of the Neck vs. Through the Head "centers"
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=2008

LynnBlakeGolf Forums > The Lesson Tee > The Golfing Machine - Advanced > Homer's two gifts... and two pivot centers
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=2025

Another option is doing a search on "tripod".

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Old 08-11-2006, 11:41 AM
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Good job Bagger. I like that. Some good adminin'.

Cause if you don't know the issues.....and vote anyway.....it's just a blind vote.

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I think the poll is very valid.
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:33 PM
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My current perception is that I cannot activate PP4 enough if I do not move my head sideways, but I want avoid moving the base of my neck - or rather the tab on inside back of the collar of my shirt.

And I love feeling a ton of PP4 pressure.
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Old 08-11-2006, 05:26 PM
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Is base of neck in the front(bowtie) and top of spine(shirt label) in the back....???????

The Head is the forehead, chin, the eyes?

What is Chossing through the Head ?...LOL

Just Kidding...

What does through the Head mean?

Is that different than the head?
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Old 08-11-2006, 05:34 PM
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Stick a ball on the end of a pencil. Tilt the pencil. Rotate the pencil between the fingers. This is NOT how the spine works in a golf swing. Although it seems to be.

Vertebrae allows the spine to re-position itself during the pivot. For some, less or more than others. This allows for a tripod.

A head that rotates to the right and left is no big deal- it is still centered on the tripod.

My camera tripod head moves 3 ways but it always centered over the legs.

This argument has wedged distance between many. The name calling is childish. Loyalties tested- over what? An inch or so of a centered head rotating to the side? Do you sway? Of course not. You stay centered over your legs. This ain't Ballard.
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Old 08-12-2006, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bmike
Stick a ball on the end of a pencil. Tilt the pencil. Rotate the pencil between the fingers. This is NOT how the spine works in a golf swing. Although it seems to be.

Vertebrae allows the spine to re-position itself during the pivot. For some, less or more than others. This allows for a tripod.

A head that rotates to the right and left is no big deal- it is still centered on the tripod.

My camera tripod head moves 3 ways but it always centered over the legs.

This argument has wedged distance between many. The name calling is childish. Loyalties tested- over what? An inch or so of a centered head rotating to the side? Do you sway? Of course not. You stay centered over your legs. This ain't Ballard.
I got this idea from "another instructor" on "another site"....

His view is that it basically works like this when you turn around your spine:



The stick is in the BACK of the rocket....(just like the spine runs up the back of your torso and head)....

Now spin the rocket mentally....the stick is in the back....

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The argument is that it basically gives you "something" to turn around (your SPINE) rather than nothing and also that it makes it easier to tilt in the downswing.
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Old 08-13-2006, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by birdie_man
I got this idea from "another instructor" on "another site"....

His view is that it basically works like this when you turn around your spine:



The stick is in the BACK of the rocket....(just like the spine runs up the back of your torso and head)....

Now spin the rocket mentally....the stick is in the back....

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The argument is that it basically gives you "something" to turn around (your SPINE) rather than nothing and also that it makes it easier to tilt in the downswing.
I think I get you Birdie Man,
but in this analogy you would have to turn the spine to move the body-and the head.
If the stick were fixed and the body of the rocket turned around the stick and the red cap on the rocket was able to move (or not)independently of the stick and the "body"of the rocket ,what would happen if we just rotated the body around the stick?
The red cap (head )WOULD NOT MOVE.
If the body and cap moved together ,the eyes would be facing in the direction of the chest.
Be useful if you could expand on this issue,in case I have missed something!
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Some More References
Here's some more helpful references-

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=2906

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=2090

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461

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Originally Posted by birdie_man
I got this idea from "another instructor" on "another site"....

His view is that it basically works like this when you turn around your spine:



The stick is in the BACK of the rocket....(just like the spine runs up the back of your torso and head)....

Now spin the rocket mentally....the stick is in the back....


The argument is that it basically gives you "something" to turn around (your SPINE) rather than nothing and also that it makes it easier to tilt in the downswing.
I wish it were as simple as this...

in theory.....

BUT... in application it does not and cannot....

Ever been to a Kinematics Lab?

For instance if the Pencil/Stick was in a Forward Bend of say 20 degrees and the Side Bend to the Right of 10 degrees the spine angle would stay the same....The head would've moved to the outside of the right foot and also moved up away from the golf ball....

Here at Campbell University we have several golf swings loaded in a 3D APAS Motion Analysis System which alllows us to view the golf stroke from any percpective of 360 degrees and gives us data in the X,Y,Z and 3D ....similar to that of TaylorMades MATT System...If I can figure out how to get one of the files to embedd here I will try to do so....
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Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Here at Campbell University we have several golf swings loaded in a 3D APAS Motion Analysis System which alllows us to view the golf stroke from any percpective of 360 degrees and gives us data in the X,Y,Z and 3D ....similar to that of TaylorMades MATT System...If I can figure out how to get one of the files to embedd here I will try to do so....
That would be cool to see!

If I remember correctly Dr. Gideon Ariel developed this system. In my college days, I was a tennis instructor and was able to see his motion analysis of John Newcombe's tennis serve.

Ariel's pioneering work was applied to Track & Field for the USOC.
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