Do I need to change my right hand grip to a palm grip versus a finger grip to have the right forearm inline with the shaft at address?
Absolutely not, Dave. The Right Hand Grip is a finger Grip -- as opposed to a ham-fisted palm Grip -- and the cup of the Hand (the palm) covers the Left Hand thumb. The Grip pressure should be firm with each of the encircling fingers, except with the right forefinger (with its #3 Pressure Point), which should be somewhat lighter (to keep it sensitive to the Downstroke Lag Pressure).
The Grip pressure should be firm with each of the encircling fingers, except with the right forefinger (with its #3 Pressure Point), which should be somewhat lighter (to keep it sensitive to the Downstroke Lag Pressure).
I learn something everytime I read one of your posts Lynn. All this time I have been trying to ensure I apply pressure with the #3 pressure point and keep the same degree of firmness there as with pressure points one and two.
ANY onplane backstroke nessesitates the right forearm to lift the secondary hinge in the hinge assembly located at the left shoulder. As the pivot turns, the right forearm lifts up the primary lever assembly and it does this by using the plane line as its guide (tracing along the plane line).
If their was no right forearm 'pickup' on the entire backstroke as the pivot transported the power package, the clubhead wouldn't get 3 foot off the ground if your lucky and would create a very bent plane line.
The ideal is to always maintain its relationship to the plane line, just like it is ideal for a snooker/pool player to maintain the cue on a line straight back and straight through (usually on a vertical plane). With the shoulder turn takeaway - you lose the precision and then you are forced to pick up with the right forearm later in the golf stroke and try to re-establish the plane line. Bad snooker/pool players take it offplane or off line and they usually can never re-establish it - just like it is for hacks at golf...
It has absolutely nothing to do with not cocking the right wrist. It has everything to do with the all encompassing, imperative maintainance of the inclined plane. Those who do not teach the right forearm pickup, do not really teach plane.
I want to FIRST say (so as to make things clear)...
That a RFT is fine (obviously).....see David Toms, Freddie Couples, etc.
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But what about Hogan, Snead, Nelson, John Daly, Tiger, Phil, Ernie, etc. etc. etc.
(or anyone who anyone would happen to teach who swings with anything other than a RFT and hits it to a tour level...or a level of these guys above)
Would you change them?
I mean, I understand adherance to principle...but man.....you have options....and some things just work. (for some people)
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The right forearm takeaway has been greatly misunderstood especially by those from the Rocky site via watching Brians very mistaken video on it.
Actually most in that list do actually use the right forearm to pickup the left arm so the secondary lever stays on A plane at startup at varing extents - Tiger and Phil btw are usually perfectly onplane at start-up hence using the plane line as their guide - conciously or subconciously. If you want to take it offplane with a shoulder turn takeaway, read leadbetters "the golf swing"....
Remember its a one piece stroke like an ocean liner. With the shoulder turn takeaway, the stroke goes like this.... Ok I just start back with only my pivot/my shoulders - ok im moving now.... oh wait if I keep doing this I won't hit the ball 20 yards, quick quick Right forearm pick me up....
Ps - another point I want to raise, it has absolutely nothing at all to do with pivot centers
The right forearm takeaway has been greatly misunderstood especially by those from the Rocky site via watching Brians very mistaken video on it.
Rocky site lol.
Could you explain the misunderstandings?
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Actually most in that list do actually use the right forearm to pickup the left arm so the secondary lever stays on A plane at startup at varing extents - Tiger and Phil btw are usually perfectly onplane at start-up hence using the plane line as their guide - conciously or subconciously. If you want to take it offplane with a shoulder turn takeaway, read leadbetters "the golf swing"....
Yes I realize the right forearm lifts at some point even in those strokes Matthew....
But those guys do not do a "Right Forearm Pickup" as it's commonly taught and referred to in TGM.
C'mon man....Tiger Woods? John Daly? Phil? etc. etc.
"From Address, lift your right forearm back, up, and in....take the club straight up the Turned Shoulder Plane. (with the right forearm)" (and straight down)
That's what I'm talking about.
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Now I'm not saying that this kind of stroke (that all those pros use) "IS WHAT YOU MUST TEACH!"...
I'm just saying that it's obviously an option.
The only other justification is that all these guys (Hogan, Snead, Nelson, John Daly, Tiger, Phil, Ernie...+ more) would be much better than they already are. (if their backswings are that inferior)
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And what I wrote above is how I understand how a "Right Forearm Takeaway" or "Right Forearm Pickup" is normally taught or thought of.
Last edited by birdie_man : 08-22-2006 at 12:04 AM.
Absolutely not, Dave. The Right Hand Grip is a finger Grip -- as opposed to a ham-fisted palm Grip -- and the cup of the Hand (the palm) covers the Left Hand thumb. The Grip pressure should be firm with each of the encircling fingers, except with the right forefinger (with its #3 Pressure Point), which should be somewhat lighter (to keep it sensitive to the Downstroke Lag Pressure).
Originally Posted by Ozgolfer
I learn something everytime I read one of your posts Lynn. All this time I have been trying to ensure I apply pressure with the #3 pressure point and keep the same degree of firmness there as with pressure points one and two.
Would you please decribe how to lift the right forearm to maintain those pressure points on backswing? Does lifting mean pulling by encircling fingers?
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I, too, would like clarification about the right forearm lift. By using the word "lift" or "pick up" I'm under the impression that it is a pulling action. What muscles "lift" the right forearm?
Are we leaving the right hand out of the backswing equation in these discussions on purpose? I have a hard time understanding the biomechanics of the RFT when the RH is not discussed. It seems to me that the right forearm/elbow will not bend correctly unless the right hand is bent or bending back.
Also, the picture of Tiger in the takeaway move shows his right arm higher than at address for sure, but this seems to be only an effect of his shoulders/body turning. Whether he is turning the body or moving his hands and arms back to make this happen doesn't matter. But lift or the raising of the forearm just seems to be an effect.
Sorry if I'm not understanding TGM principles correctly, I'm a simple guy with a small vocabulary. Thanks in advance for the claifications.
The right arm is always in a state of extending or trying to become straight which is a non accelerating thrust hence not moving the left arm. You can probably guess this is called extensor action.
The left arm is connected to the left shoulder and can move around this point with its range of motion being spherical. The right forefinger or pp3 traces back this line and then lifts the primary lever assembly upwards on the vertical hinge action plane. Because this plane is inside a sphere and goes through a center point (left shoulder) this means that the upwards motion is circular and because of such, the structure of the right arm has to collapse as this tracing occurs inorder to lift the left arm on this plane. This is the primary cause of loading acc no.1.
"Solid powerful impact always be there at the second loop on the way down along the K& line of educated hands!?"
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