Okay. let's accept what you see. Now let's see if we can convert this observation into information useful to the player.
Assume that Billy is your student and, with regards to his Pivot, wants to know, first, what he is doing now, and second, what (if anything) he should be doing to get better (and remember, these guys will kill for one-quarter of a shot per round). He also expects you to justify your recommendation.
Some tough questions need to be addressed:
If it is not a Head Pivot Center, then is it a Between-the-Shoulders Pivot Center?
In your opinion, does he have a Pivot Center at all?
If not, do you think he should?
If so, which one?
In other words -- seriously, Bob -- if he were your student, what would you tell him to do...and why?
Thus far, no one will even agree that BC's head is moving back and down from the Top to Follow-through. Can we get a yes or no on this?
I thought a head pivot center sequence would look like Diane in Chapter Nine [6th Edition]as seen in photos 9-2-1#1 (Preliminary Address), 9-2-2 #1 (Impact Fix), 9-2-10 #1 (Impact) and 9-2-11 #1 (Follow-through). She doesn't look like BC to me.
If Casper's sequence from the Top on pages 144-145 is, in actual fact, a head pivot center sequence, then I obviously don't know what a HPC is or what it's supposed to look like.
Thus far, no one will even agree that BC's head is moving back and down from the Top to Follow-through. Can we get a yes or no on this?
I thought a head pivot center sequence would look like Diane in Chapter Nine [6th Edition]as seen in photos 9-2-1#1 (Preliminary Address), 9-2-2 #1 (Impact Fix), 9-2-10 #1 (Impact) and 9-2-11 #1 (Follow-through). She doesn't look like BC to me.
If Casper's sequence from the Top on pages 144-145 is, in actual fact, a head pivot center sequence, then I obviously don't know what a HPC is or what it's supposed to look like.
Just looking for some understanding here.
First of all, Bob, I appreciate your earlier observation that the Pivot is a two-way street. As such, the Pivot Center concept demands a constant Center in both directions. To the extent this does not occur, a compensation has been introduced. In my opinion, this is the case in the Casper Long-Iron sequence.
The many prior posts on this thread and on similar threads here and on Brian Manzella's site have focused on the Backstroke Pivot and its Center. Accordingly, the primary purpose of my publication of the Casper sequences was to provide an example of a Head Centered Backstroke. Hence, my directive in the introducing post to "Check out his Head Positon at the Top of each sequence." There is no question in my mind that, at least in these sequences, Billy is using such a Head Pivot Center. The intriguing question you have essentially introduced, then, is...
Does he change that Head Center to a Between-the-Shoulders Center on the Downstroke? Or, has he simply failed to achieve the perfection of the original Head Center?
I've already commented on the Bobbing in the Stroke. It is a common phenomenon often caused by a failure to position the Head at Address in its Impact Location (hence requiring the Bob as compensation). Regarding the backwards Sway, using that tilted, upside-down triangular shape in the background as the constant, I truly don't see the "ton" of movement you do. It is there, but photos are an exacting measure, and even the most talented among us are entitled to at least some margin of error. Homer Kelley knew that, of course, and that is why he always advised to set your Head where you want it at Impact and then do your best to maintain that location. In other words, centered between the feet (his ideal) or to the right or to the left -- wherever you put it -- leave it there, as nearly as you are humanly able to do so.
Personally, I think Billy is losing his original Head Pivot Center somewhat during the Downstroke. But, he is not reverting to a Between-the-Shoulders Center. The reason this is happening is first, the Bobbing phenomenon explained above, and second, the need for additional Axis Tilt in order to add Loft to the Hooded Clubface introduced by, in conventional terms, his extremely "strong" Grip (Left Hand Turned to Plane). If he didn't create this "artificial" Loft via the slight backward Sway, he couldn't get the Ball airborne with the lower-numbered Clubs. Essentially, he creates a new Head Center slightly down and to the right of the original Center, and he does so dynamically during the Downstroke. Given his original Address position and Grip, is is a necessary compensation.
Finally, I would like to add Photo 9-2-6 (the Top) to your list above. This photo clearly illustrates Homer Kelley's concept of a Head that Pivots on its base, yet remains Centered and Stationary (with regards to Location, not its necessary Pivot capability). This 'look' can be interpreted to mean a Between-the-Shoulders Center, but it is not. As I indicated in Post #26 above, the Ben Hogan sequence more closely approximates these ideals and, hence, Golfing perfection.
First of all, Bob, I appreciate your earlier observation that the Pivot is a two-way street. As such, the Pivot Center concept demands a constant Center in both directions. To the extent this does not occur, a compensation has been introduced. In my opinion, this is the case in the Casper Long-Iron sequence.
The many prior posts on this thread and on similar threads here and on Brian Manzella's site have focused on the Backstroke Pivot and its Center. Accordingly, the primary purpose of my publication of the Casper sequences was to provide an example of a Head Centered Backstroke. There is no question in my mind that, at least in these sequences, Billy is using such a Head Pivot Center. The intriquing question you have essentially introduced, then, is...
Does he change that Head Center to a Between-the-Shoulders Center on the Downstroke? Or, has he simply failed to achieve the perfection of the original Head Center?
I've already commented on the Bobbing in the Stroke. It is a common phenomenon often caused by a failure to position the Head at Address in its Impact Location (hence requiring the Bob as compensation). Regarding the backwards Sway, using that tilted, upside-down triangular shape in the background as the constant, I truly don't see the "ton" of movement you do. It is there, but photos are an exacting measure, and even the most talented among us are entitled to at least some margin of error. Homer Kelley knew that, of course, and that is why he always advised to set your Head where you want it at Impact and then do your best to maintain that location. In other words, centered between the feet (his ideal) or to the right or to the left -- wherever you put it -- leave it there, as nearly as you are humanly able to do so.
Personally, I think Billy is losing his original Head Pivot Center somewhat during the Downstroke. But, he is not reverting to a Between-the-Shoulders Center. The reason this is happening is first, the Bobbing phenomenon explained above, and second, the need for additional Axis Tilt in order to add Loft to the Hooded Clubface introduced by, in conventional terms, his extremely "strong" Grip (Left Hand Turned to Plane). If he didn't create this "artificial" Loft via the slight backward Sway, he couldn't get the Ball airborne with the lower-numbered Clubs. Essentially, he creates a new Head Center slightly down and to the right of the original Center, and he does so dynamically during the Downstroke. Given his original Address position and Grip, is is a necessary compensation.
Finally, I would like to add Photo 9-2-6 (the Top) to your list above. This photo clearly illustrates Homer Kelley's concept of a Head that Pivots on its base, yet remains Centered and Stationary (with regards to Location, not its necessary Pivot capability). This 'look' can be interpreted to mean a Between-the-Shoulders Center, but it is not. As I indicated in Post #26 above, the Ben Hogan sequence more closely approximates these ideals and, hence, Golfing perfection.
Thank you for the time and effort to explain this.
One last question: Does "between the shoulders" mean only the upper (cervical) spine or does it refer to the entire spine running longitudinally between the shoulders.
Thank you for the time and effort to explain this.
One last question: Does "between the shoulders" mean only the upper (cervical) spine or does it refer to the entire spine running longitudinally between the shoulders.
One last question: Does "between the shoulders" mean only the upper (cervical) spine or does it refer to the entire spine running longitudinally between the shoulders.
Per The Glossary, the alternative Pivot Center is the "Point-Between-the-Shoulders."
Interesting, isn't it, that this is the kind of question that invariably arises when a shortcut -- my deliberate elimination of the word "point" in my post -- has been taken. This speaks volumes for the necessity of a unified terminology with which to discuss the complex mechanism of the Golf Stroke.
And with no shortcuts...
No matter how much a particular issue has been discussed.
Here's a photo of Larry Nelson from the January 1980 issue of Golf Digest and an article honoring his selection as Most Improved Player of the Year.
As we all now know, golf's "quiet man" went on to win two PGAs, the United States Open Championship, a total of 10 PGA TOUR events and 19 Champions TOUR tournaments. He also became the most feared Ryder Cupper of his generation, a member of three winning teams, going undefeated in his first two outings and finishing with a stellar 9-3-1 record. One of the game's great ballstrikers, Larry uses the Homer Kelley-recommended Head Pivot Center.
Here's a look at Adam Scott, one of today's Young Guns of the PGA TOUR. His Head Pivot Center is evident throughout his Stroke. Adam currently ranks 16th in the PGA TOUR's coveted Greens in Regulation statistic. And he ranks 13th in Driving Distance, averaging 300.9 yards off the tee. Those who feel that the Centered Head may gain them accuracy but will cost them distance need look no further than this Greens-hitting, Australian powerhouse.
[The commentary superimposed on the photos is from Golf Digest and is not relevant to this post.]
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