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View Poll Results: Do you teach/prefer the Base of the Neck Pivot Center OR the Head Pivot Center?
Base of the neck 88 64.71%
Head 24 17.65%
It doesn't matter, the Golf Stroke doesn't need a Pivot Center 2 1.47%
They are both the same because the Head includes the Base of the Neck 22 16.18%
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:53 AM
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Avoiding Extremes
Originally Posted by RatherBeGolfing

Yoda,

Stuart Appleby, Adam Scott, Geoff Ogilvy, Michael Campbell, Mike Weir Robert Allenby have all been promoting the Leaderboard training aid (Stuart Appleby, Adam Scott and Geoff Ogilvy are company owners).

When you look at the videos are you seeing the old Greg Norman foot action or the better revised foot action. Which foot action do you think this aid promotes, if any?

Link to infomercial AND video: https://www.asseenontvnetwork.com/vc.../index/173681/
Follow Homer Kelley's advice with regards to the Foot Action Component (7-17). The loading (Weight) can shift to the inner edge of the Foot, but it shouldn't roll the Foot over on its edged. To the extent the Heel comes off the ground, it should be pulled off, not lifted off.

I see no reason for the exaggerated drag of the Right Foot through Impact, nor the excessive Knee Action which causes it. This conclusion comes despite the fact that three great champions come to mind that use the technique: Billy Casper, George Knudsen and Larry Nelson.

Of the names you mention above, including the three company owners, I do not recall any that drag the Right Foot as promoted by the training device.

Finally, I have not seen Greg Norman's Foot Action in several years, but from the video you have supplied, I can see that the Leaderboard training aid does not produce the Foot Action he used in his early years on TOUR.
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Originally Posted by Yoda
Follow Homer Kelley's advice with regards to the Foot Action Component (7-17). The loading (Weight) can shift to the inner edge of the Foot, but it shouldn't roll the Foot over on its edged. To the extent the Heel comes off the ground, it should be pulled off, not lifted off.

I see no reason for the exaggerated drag of the Right Foot through Impact, nor the excessive Knee Action which causes it. This conclusion comes despite the fact that three great champions come to mind that use the technique: Billy Casper, George Knudsen and Larry Nelson.

Of the names you mention above, including the three company owners, I do not recall any that drag the Right Foot as promoted by the training device.

Finally, I have not seen Greg Norman's Foot Action in several years, but from the video you have supplied, I can see that the Leaderboard training aid does not produce the Foot Action he used in his early years on TOUR.
One image that has been helpful to me has been to imagine that the shin bones are springs . . . saw this in 7 Laws of the Golf Swing while parusing in the library (yes I said library).

The image of the "shin springs" was to compress the springs down into the ground at Top and Start Down by feeling as if your center of gravity moves down as well as forward . . . eliminating crazy knees and the right heel popping up prematurely . . . ala Sam Sneed Squat.
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Sports Illustrated, Aug. 28, 2006
pg. 42, 1st column

"The Western was Wood's first event since he missed the cut at the U.S. Open, and he was straining to find his form in a season that had been torn asunder by the death of his father. He set up shop on the range at Cog Hill, with his instructor Hank Haney, with whom he had embarked on yet another swing overhaul two years ago, and in a 2 1/2 hour session they focused on the flaw that had been tormenting Woods: his tendency to cock his head to the left on the backswing and then rock it back and to the right on the downswing, upsetting his balance and timing. The enduring image from that grueling session was of Haney's left hand pressed against the right side of Woods's face, keeping his head stable while Tiger focused on rotating smoothly around his spine."

Don't shoot the messenger for the above quote.

Anyone ever think of changing the Right Forearm alignment, so Bobbing wouldn't be necessary?

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Tiger And His Centered Head
Originally Posted by YodasLuke

The enduring image from that grueling session was of Haney's left hand pressed against the right side of Woods's face, keeping his head stable while Tiger focused on rotating smoothly around his spine."
In a recent issue of Golf Digest (June 2006), Tiger writes:

"A steady head means I've rotated around a fixed point, a critical factor in stabilizing my swing."

"Now my head is more centered..."

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Adam Scott's Head-Centered Pivot
Does Adam Scott have a Head-Centered Pivot? A competitor on another site says "no," and offers as "proof" his own analysis of the sequence I posted above. I'm going to put up more on this later, but for now...

You be the judge.

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tripods vs monopods
Originally Posted by Yoda
In a recent issue of Golf Digest (June 2006), Tiger writes:

"A steady head means I've rotated around a fixed point, a critical factor in stabilizing my swing."

"Now my head is more centered..."

Hey Lynn- (long time no see)

I have noticed that some folks like to draw a straight line form the ball to the nose to disprove a steady head- that it moves to the side. In my neck of the woods- photography- thats a MONOPOD.

Homer talked of a TRIPOD. The lines would be drawn from the foundation- the feet, both of them - to the eyes. Head stays centered on a tripod.
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I have noticed that some folks like to draw a straight line form the ball to the nose to disprove a steady head- that it moves to the side. In my neck of the woods- photography- thats a MONOPOD.

Homer talked of a TRIPOD. The lines would be drawn from the foundation- the feet, both of them - to the eyes. Head stays centered on a tripod.
And any lines drawn to reference Stance Width -- or "between the feet" -- should be from heel-to-heel. Likewise, any 'uphill-downhill' camera 'skew' must be adjusted so that the golfer's Stance is level (horizontal).

Like this:




This correct approach enables the student to separate immediately fact from fantasy.

Centered Head, anyone?
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What Are The Pros and Cons?
In 2-H, Mr. Kelley states that the Head Pivot Center is "recommended", but it is "not at all mandatory". That certainly sounds to me like we can have our choice of Head Center or Between the Shoudlers pivots without a lot of serious dissent from HK.

I would appreciate a discussion of the pros and cons of each and why certain players would be better served selecting one over the other. There must be reasons why the Head Pivot Center is recommended by HK, but there also must be reasons why it isn't mandatory.
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