I don't think it can be judged from one pic guys....that is "more of" a "tripod"....
But I've seen pics of Adam where his head moves more to his right....
"More" of a tripod?
The Head is dead-center at Address, dead-center at the Top and dead-center at Impact.
Indeed, what "more" could be asked?
If you have "seen pics of Adam where his head moves more to his right" -- and assuming you actually are seeing what you think you are seeing -- then Adam Scott has Swayed.
Homer Kelley (direct quote from recorded discussion):
"Centered Arc. There're some people arguing if it is the back of the neck or the head. I'll just touch on that. I advocate the head because, if you use that as your pivot center, your eyes will tell you when you have moved. You can see under the ball somewhere. Whereas, if you move your head with the back of the neck center, you have nothing there to go by. I don't think it's nearly as dependable. Geometrically, you could say it is more correct, but I have come to some information that says that it is not all that correct or effective either. So, you have to have a stationary Head."
That doesn't look "dead center" to me (at the top)....(sorry)...
What happened to "precisely" between the feet? (you said it not me)
It's close...
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And besides....
Is this not the pic that has been altered?
If it is the original DID have the head further back...
Given, it WAS on a slope....but I think that in itself might just make it to be not be a good picture to judge, period. (and it IS only ONE picture...we need more when it's this close- I think)
What do you think?
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BTW I realize that "Swaying" is a Snare in The Golfing Machine....and I definitely respecet and hold Homer Kellys 50 (or w/e) years of research in very high value....but lots of great golfers Sway then.....(and hit it with a very high level of precision- and power).
I just don't think that's an overly bad thing. (esp. with a mid-longer club in your hands....or if you're a slicer or learning to pivot)
I mean.....I'm not advocating a LARGE degree of Swaying....cause you can overdo anything....in MY OPINON though....a little is more than fine. (IMO people)
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I love Homer's work....but I also like to form my own opinions (please no "He did it for 50 years vs. your 10" argument)....and there are tons of options....I think that's important.
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One more thing I'd like to address...
To me....a perfectly stationary (i.e. no movement at ALL) and CENTERED (between the heels) head IS ideal for a machine...(the book is called "The Golfing Machine"...)....but are people built like machines?
Possible that Homer may not have weighed this (human anatomy) as heavily as he should have? (although there is no doubt that in his 50 years or so of reasearch he thought of it)
What do yall think?
He WAS still researching....
(and you still have options anyway...even according to him)
Last edited by birdie_man : 08-26-2006 at 02:31 PM.
In post #74, Mathew offers one possible advantage to the Head Center Pivot -- you can tell if you moved your head because you can see under the ball more.
In post #74, Mathew offers one possible advantage to the Head Center Pivot -- you can tell if you moved your head because you can see under the ball more.
Is that the only advantage?
The Head Pivot Center is --ideally -- Centered between the Feet. In addition to the sensory advantage you have mentioned, it also offers an immediate visual confirmation of compliance with the Pivot Center requirement. It is an absolute, just as is the Straight Plane Line and the Flat Left Wrist and the Parallel to the Plane Line Clubshaft (when it is Parallel to the ground).
It also serves to Center other mission-critical Components -- the Shoulders, for example -- in preparation for their Uncompensated return to Impact.
Despite these advantages, the player can choose to locate that Head Center behind or in front of the Visual Center.
The Head-Centered is --ideally -- Centered between the Feet. In addition to the sensory advantage you have mentioned, it also offers an immediate visual confirmation of compliance with the Pivot Center requirement. It is an absolute, just as is the Straight Plane Line and the Flat Left Wrist and the Parallel to the Plane Line Clubshaft (when it is Parallel to the ground).
It also serves to Center other mission-critical Components -- the Shoulders, for example -- in preparation for their Uncompensated return to Impact.
Despite these advantages, the player can choose to locate that Head Center behind or in front of the Visual Center.
Or choose another Center altogether.
The question then becomes...
And you are very right to ask here, Bob...
Why do so?
This might be one of the best posts regarding the why's behind a stationary head. Most posts really just regurgitate the book.
I think if you discount the sensory advantage then you can make a solid case of another static position/reference point.
I think either position still requires a stationary point of reference at or above the shoulders rotation arount point, a dynamic point would complicate and require timing to make a solid consistent stroke. Probably not repeatable for most, especially with age.
But it's always been "precisely between the feet."
Maybe my definition of precision is excessive? I dunno.
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And the pic has been altered, no?
(again, I realize the upward slope PROBABLY would tip the scales towards the back of center end of the debate....but it's not a sure thing IMO....and not a good pic to analyze then...we need more...IMO)
The Head Center Does Not Require "Middle of the Feet"
Originally Posted by birdie_man
But it's always been "precisely between the feet."
C'mon, Birdie.
I have stated Homer's own preference -- and my own -- for the "between the feet" location of the Head Pivot Center. It was Homer Kelley's ideal (as implied by the Chapter Nine photos in the first six editions and specifically stated in the 7th). But...
In numerous posts, I also have stated his practical adivce to students:
"Set your Head at Impact Fix and leave it there."
If that Fix location is "precisely" in the middle...fine. If a bit behind...fine. If a bit in front...fine. Just locate it and leave it and use it as a Center. Homer Kelley was all about golfers on golf courses, not golfers in the lab. I wrote these very same things in my first posts on this subject months ago, and I reiterated that position as recently as today. My message has been consistent. Why then, is there any perception to the contrary?
There is no mystery:
To serve his own agenda, one self-avowed "competitor" has assigned me the uncompromising doctrine "Head dead still and precisely between the feet." Homer and I get one location in time and space, and he gets everywhere else. Ridiculous.
So, your quote above is not true, and if you want to know exactly where I stand on this G.O.L.F. subject -- or any other for that matter -- then read my posts. All 4,000 some-odd of them. My positions are there, clearly-stated and available at the click of your mouse.
Meanwhile, beware the self-serving misrepresentations of another.
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