Tripod Center Vote

[12 piece bucket]

Birdie,

-- Bucket, run your search and tell us how many times -- and deliberately chose it over the 'point-between-the-shoulders' alternative (mentioned once and as just that, a deliberately rejected alternative).

1-L MACHINE CONCEPT 1. The Stationary Post (player’s head) accurately returns the Clubhead through the ball (Centered Arc).

2-0 A. The Three Basic Essentials are:
1. A stationary Head

2-H The spine, between the shoulders, is the center of the Shoulder Turn only, not of the Left Arm, except by specific extension of the Swing Radius. Because, Swinging from the Wrists, the Left Shoulder, the Right Elbow, the Waist or the Feet, show it to have just to many exceptions. Though the “Head” Pivot Center is recommended, it is not at all mandatory.

The important thing is that the true Swing Center - for all components - is around a Hinge Pin with one end at the top of the Stationary Head and the other in the ground precisely between the Feet, with no regard for Body Location or Position at any time. These lines may be a duplication. If found eliminate one of them.

More to come . . . gotta go eat!

[12 piece bucket]

2-J IMPACT ALIGNMENTS . . . Clubface alignment also includes the requirement that the center of the Clubhead arc be so located that the Clubface strikes the ball before it strikes the ground. If the Clubface is centered on the ball while soled behind it any distance whatsoever, the radius of the Clubhead arc must be shortened or the Club will meet the ground precisely where it had been soled. This procedure of shortening the radius of the stroke is popular – that is pulling in the Hands at Impact by raising the head and shoulders a guess-timated distance, or pulling back the Left Shoulder, or bending the Left Arm, all with that same “precision."

3-F-7-C BOBBING is raising and/or lowering the Head by faulty movement of the back or knees, and disrupts the Shoulder-to-ball radius

9-1 ZONE 1 . . . The Pivot involves twisting the body and shifting the weight during the Stroke so as to maintain balance, a motionless head and any required tilt of the torso. All motion is in a preselected sequence and spacing of whatever Components are being employed. Emphatically, Hands are not educated until they control the Pivot.

AXIS TILT Example – pouring tea.
Mechanical – To change direction, the helicopter Pilot alters the plane of the rotating blades by tilting their axis in the new direction.
Golf – To change the plane of the Shoulder Turn without moving the Head, the golfer must tilt the Shoulder Axis by moving the Hips.

BALANCE Example – a hula dancer.
Mechanical – State in which all opposing forces cancel each other out.
Golf – Holding the center of gravity of the body inside The Stance without moving the Head.

PIVOT Example – revolving door.
Mechanical – That motion of a body moving around a center point.
Golf – A multiple universal-joint assembly between the Stationary Head and the Stationary Feet holding the Clubshaft “On Plane” by positioning and adjusting the Lever Assembly, through the #3 Accumulator, as directed by the Right Forearm.

PIVOT CENTER Example – thetherball pole.
Mechanical – The point on which an assembly is suspended or erected to stabilize and limit that assembly’s possible travel – the Hinge Pin.
Golf – Some point on the body kept stationary throughout the Stroke, to stabilize the motion.


STATIONARY HEAD Example – a spinning skater.
Mechanical – Same as Pivot Center.
Golf – Chosing the Head – rather than Between the Shoulders as the Pivot Center.

That's all the head references that weren't clubHEAD or aHEAD in the book.

Let me know what you want next Boss . . . if anythang.

[Martee]

The important thing is that the true Swing Center - for all components - is around a Hinge Pin with one end at the top of the Stationary Head and the other in the ground precisely between the Feet, with no regard for Body Location or Position at any time. These lines may be a duplication. If found eliminate one of them.

I wonder if the Hinge Pin is really meant to be vertical to the ground? Can at Impact Fix can you have a bit of tilt to the right at the top while still having bottom of the hinge pin precisely between the feet?

Clearly this hinge pin is not meant to be the blance point of the golfer in the golf stroke (if that was so, then weight would be equally distributed at impact).

A Hinge Pin is normally costructed such that its movement is at right angles to stationary post. If the right shoulder is driving down, might it not have to be tilted in order for it to be the most efficent?

These are intended to be just questions not trying to make an arguement one way or the other. Just trying to understand the application of the Hinge Pin.

[golf2much]

I wonder if the Hinge Pin is really meant to be vertical to the ground? Can at Impact Fix can you have a bit of tilt to the right at the top while still having bottom of the hinge pin precisely between the feet?

Clearly this hinge pin is not meant to be the blance point of the golfer in the golf stroke (if that was so, then weight would be equally distributed at impact).

A Hinge Pin is normally costructed such that its movement is at right angles to stationary post. If the right shoulder is driving down, might it not have to be tilted in order for it to be the most efficent?

These are intended to be just questions not trying to make an arguement one way or the other. Just trying to understand the application of the Hinge Pin.

This post seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle of all the banter back and forth, but it really caught my attention and I would like to hear more on this sublect. It would seem to me (maybe seems is if) that the hinge pin you describe would not be perpindicular to the ground, but more an approximation and extention of the spine angle to the ground.

I'm picturing an angled (approximating the spine angle) post, or pin with it's top near the top of the shoulders. The turning shoulder plane has a radius equal to the distance from this post/pin to the left shoulder socket, which is another hinge pin, perpindicular to the turning shoulder plane which in motion must be parallel to the sweetspot plane, but beneath it. Is this what you are getting at or have I missed the point completely?

[Yoda]

9-1 ZONE 1 . . . The Pivot involves twisting the body and shifting the weight during the Stroke so as to maintain balance, a motionless head and any required tilt of the torso.

Thanks, Bucket. The references you have isolated in your past two posts prove the importance Homer Kelley accorded the Stationary Head.

The selected quote above is one of my favorites:

"The Pivot involves twisting the body..."

One of the reasons Golfers fail to execute a Centered Pivot is because it is far easier to Slide than to Twist. Most Golfers are too lazy to Twist. It takes work.

And so they Slide instead.

"[Swaying] is usually an attempt to replace the Pivot in working toward a Turn and a Weight Shift." -- Homer Kelley

[KOC]

I reviewed a few videos I got, namely, Golf my way by Jack Nicklaus video; How to build a Classic Swing by Ernie Els and Ben Hogan DVD by Jim Mclean.

I heard so many time “Head still…..”
See Els's head in the capture top down view:-
http://bb4.babyhome.com.tw/UPLOAD6/9...4634.37637.jpg

On the other hand, the golf swing in the Hogan at older age video really moved "a lot" to the right but when i put it on V1 solfware, he definely returned his head to near address position through impact with quite active lower body movement.

Is flexibility an issue?

[Daryl]

Great Post 12 Piece Bucket. May I add that 'word for word' these quotes can be found dating back to the First Edition (except the definitions which were added to later Editions).

[birdie_man]

The selected quote above is one of my favorites:

"The Pivot involves twisting the body..."

One of the reasons Golfers fail to execute a Centered Pivot is because it is far easier to Slide than to Twist. Most Golfers are too lazy to Twist. It takes work.

And so they Slide instead.

Are they too lazy to twist tho? Or are they untrained? I can't pivot properly left handed no matter how much effort I put into it. (even on lazy days)

"[Swaying] is usually an attempt to replace the Pivot in working toward a Turn and a Weight Shift." -- Homer Kelley

I agree for beginners sometimes....but what about tour players who sway a bit? These guys can pivot.

So is it choice? or coincidence? or is it taught? or is it natural?

[Yoda]

Are they too lazy to twist tho? Or are they untrained? I can't pivot properly left handed no matter how much effort I put into it. (even on lazy days)

I absolutely agree that most golfers fail to Pivot properly because they are either untrained or improperly trained.

[okie]

The selected quote above is one of my favorites:

"The Pivot involves twisting the body..."

One of the reasons Golfers fail to execute a Centered Pivot is because it is far easier to Slide than to Twist. Most Golfers are too lazy to Twist. It takes work.

And so they Slide instead.