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08-30-2006, 10:28 AM
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Lynn Blake Certified Instructor
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
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What the heck is Jen's plane anyhow? Is that some sort of Steven Hawkins type stuff?
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Advanced string theory. Really just the 10th dimension expressing itself as a single point reflecting all possible space time at any potential parallel point.
Hawkings is more of a 4th/5th dimensional guy IMO...
But back to the 'point'....
Mathew - are you talking about the plane of the pressure points? Mainly the plane of PP#1 and/or #3 in 3 dimensional space?
Given that the left and right flying wedges intersect that point at an angle.
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08-30-2006, 10:33 AM
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Home Sweet Home
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Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
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With all due respect...What does this "Jen's Plane" have to do with striking a golf ball with better application of force? TGM is already confusing enough...LOL
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Point taken, annikan. This thead has generated a lot of discussion and is definitely 'cutting edge' stuff. Let's move it over to its proper home -- The Lab -- and continue on!
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08-30-2006, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Mathew
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Can we keep this thread on topic please... I did this thread to make you think, not post pics of Tigers girlfriend over it...
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Come on Matthew- It's OK to bring your girl into the thread but we can't bring Tiger's girl into the picture- just doesn't seem fair  |
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08-30-2006, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike O
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Come on Matthew- It's OK to bring your girl into the thread but we can't bring Tiger's girl into the picture- just doesn't seem fair
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Watch it Matthew!!! Last time Mike O went on a double date he just brought the chick's head that he was "dating."
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08-30-2006, 01:32 PM
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OHHH MANNNNNNNN!!....GOOD SWEET LORD....WHAT I WOULD DO TO GET A PIEC...
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Can we keep this thread on topic please... I did this thread to make you think, not post pics of Tigers girlfriend over it...
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Ohhhhhhh.....well...
....got all riled up there for a second....I uh, apologize...that was out of character there...
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08-30-2006, 05:34 PM
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My Take
I can see how all of this works on a 1-L machine where the primary lever is directly attached to a stationary post. In that model, the #3 accumulator is zeroed out. If you were to model a stationary post with a second hinge representing left arm and clubshaft like Yoda's real life model, then you would see that the left arm (Primary Lever) is always below plane unless #3 is zeroed out.
The definition of the #3 accumulator is the angle formed between the clubshaft and left forearm 6-B-3-0. That left forearm is pointing below plane most of the time.
In addtion, the human golfer as opposed to the stationary post model, has a clavical attaching the left arm to the sternum. As the post moves, the whole left arm assembly moves. We don't have our left arm jutting out from the top of our sternum. So when I talk about the left arm being off plane, it's really off plane as compared to the model.
So in discussing the terminology of your geometric model, it would be helpful to distinguish the model pieces as primary lever and secondary lever. The artwork you have presented is wonderful, but has certain limitations in that the #3 accumulator must be zero in order for sweetspot to be moved and rolled on plane.
As best I can tell, the #3 plane that you have identified is simply the inline relationship of the clubshaft and left arm and is best seen from a face on view.
Nice graphic work.
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08-30-2006, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bagger Lance
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I can see how all of this works on a 1-L machine where the primary lever is directly attached to a stationary post. In that model, the #3 accumulator is zeroed out. If you were to model a stationary post with a second hinge representing left arm and clubshaft like Yoda's real life model, then you would see that the left arm (Primary Lever) is always below plane unless #3 is zeroed out.
The definition of the #3 accumulator is the angle formed between the clubshaft and left forearm 6-B-3-0. That left forearm is pointing below plane most of the time.
In addtion, the human golfer as opposed to the stationary post model, has a clavical attaching the left arm to the sternum. As the post moves, the whole left arm assembly moves. We don't have our left arm jutting out from the top of our sternum. So when I talk about the left arm being off plane, it's really off plane as compared to the model.
So in discussing the terminology of your geometric model, it would be helpful to distinguish the model pieces as primary lever and secondary lever. The artwork you have presented is wonderful, but has certain limitations in that the #3 accumulator must be zero in order for sweetspot to be moved and rolled on plane.
As best I can tell, the #3 plane that you have identified is simply the inline relationship of the clubshaft and left arm and is best seen from a face on view.
Nice graphic work.
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Bagger,
Nice post!
Matthew,
Is your model representing a simple machine or an actual golfer? That's what's confusing to me- I thought you were representing a "normal Human golfing machine" not just a simple machine. Please clarify.
Thanks,
Mike
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08-30-2006, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike O
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Bagger,
Nice post!
Matthew,
Is your model representing a simple machine or an actual golfer? That's what's confusing to me- I thought you were representing a "normal Human golfing machine" not just a simple machine. Please clarify.
Thanks,
Mike
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Come on guys, do you really think that I wouldn't draw true alignments that can happen with a real golfer. As far as golf goes I have a specialised knowledge on geometrical relationships. This alignment as discussed occurs under a very specific state of conditions which I was going to use to show various relationships.
This is not 1-L. As I said previously, we are discussing the no.3 accumulator plane - 1-L has no accumulator no.3 plane because it has no no.3 accumulator except for the motion created by the primary hinge. In 1-L accumulator 3 will never ever ever turn towards directly towards the inclined plane - the very thing we are discussing.
This is not string theory or anything else - its just simple geometry moving in motion which is the very heart of the golfing machine....
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08-30-2006, 09:24 PM
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Name that Thingie
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Originally Posted by Mathew
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This is not 1-L. As I said previously, we are discussing the no.3 accumulator plane - 1-L has no accumulator no.3 plane because it has no no.3 accumulator except for the motion created by the primary hinge. In 1-L accumulator 3 will never ever ever turn towards directly towards the inclined plane - the very thing we are discussing.
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This is the thingie (yeller arrow) that made me think you are using a swivel for #3 in your model.
What is it?
You still have some splain'in to do. 
If this isn't 1-L, then we need some labels on the artwork to define what each object represents.
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08-30-2006, 09:52 PM
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Nice one Mike O . . .You kill me . . . uh wait a minute
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Originally Posted by Mike O
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Bagger,
Nice post!
Matthew,
Is your model representing a simple machine or an actual golfer? That's what's confusing to me- I thought you were representing a "normal Human golfing machine" not just a simple machine. Please clarify.
Thanks,
Mike
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Give it to Mikey . . . he'll eat anything . . . including human grey matter . . .
Mike . . . I just noticed your 10-20 bucket's closet. . . You are a funny fool!!! Very nice!!! I can't top that!!
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