I can see how all of this works on a 1-L machine where the primary lever is directly attached to a stationary post. In that model, the #3 accumulator is zeroed out. If you were to model a stationary post with a second hinge representing left arm and clubshaft like Yoda's real life model, then you would see that the left arm (Primary Lever) is always below plane unless #3 is zeroed out.
The definition of the #3 accumulator is the angle formed between the clubshaft and left forearm 6-B-3-0. That left forearm is pointing below plane most of the time.
In addtion, the human golfer as opposed to the stationary post model, has a clavical attaching the left arm to the sternum. As the post moves, the whole left arm assembly moves. We don't have our left arm jutting out from the top of our sternum. So when I talk about the left arm being off plane, it's really off plane as compared to the model.
So in discussing the terminology of your geometric model, it would be helpful to distinguish the model pieces as primary lever and secondary lever. The artwork you have presented is wonderful, but has certain limitations in that the #3 accumulator must be zero in order for sweetspot to be moved and rolled on plane.
As best I can tell, the #3 plane that you have identified is simply the inline relationship of the clubshaft and left arm and is best seen from a face on view.
I can see how all of this works on a 1-L machine where the primary lever is directly attached to a stationary post. In that model, the #3 accumulator is zeroed out. If you were to model a stationary post with a second hinge representing left arm and clubshaft like Yoda's real life model, then you would see that the left arm (Primary Lever) is always below plane unless #3 is zeroed out.
The definition of the #3 accumulator is the angle formed between the clubshaft and left forearm 6-B-3-0. That left forearm is pointing below plane most of the time.
In addtion, the human golfer as opposed to the stationary post model, has a clavical attaching the left arm to the sternum. As the post moves, the whole left arm assembly moves. We don't have our left arm jutting out from the top of our sternum. So when I talk about the left arm being off plane, it's really off plane as compared to the model.
So in discussing the terminology of your geometric model, it would be helpful to distinguish the model pieces as primary lever and secondary lever. The artwork you have presented is wonderful, but has certain limitations in that the #3 accumulator must be zero in order for sweetspot to be moved and rolled on plane.
As best I can tell, the #3 plane that you have identified is simply the inline relationship of the clubshaft and left arm and is best seen from a face on view.
Nice graphic work.
Bagger
Bagger,
Nice post!
Matthew,
Is your model representing a simple machine or an actual golfer? That's what's confusing to me- I thought you were representing a "normal Human golfing machine" not just a simple machine. Please clarify.
Thanks,
Mike
Matthew,
Is your model representing a simple machine or an actual golfer? That's what's confusing to me- I thought you were representing a "normal Human golfing machine" not just a simple machine. Please clarify.
Thanks,
Mike
Come on guys, do you really think that I wouldn't draw true alignments that can happen with a real golfer. As far as golf goes I have a specialised knowledge on geometrical relationships. This alignment as discussed occurs under a very specific state of conditions which I was going to use to show various relationships.
This is not 1-L. As I said previously, we are discussing the no.3 accumulator plane - 1-L has no accumulator no.3 plane because it has no no.3 accumulator except for the motion created by the primary hinge. In 1-L accumulator 3 will never ever ever turn towards directly towards the inclined plane - the very thing we are discussing.
This is not string theory or anything else - its just simple geometry moving in motion which is the very heart of the golfing machine....
This is not 1-L. As I said previously, we are discussing the no.3 accumulator plane - 1-L has no accumulator no.3 plane because it has no no.3 accumulator except for the motion created by the primary hinge. In 1-L accumulator 3 will never ever ever turn towards directly towards the inclined plane - the very thing we are discussing.
This is the thingie (yeller arrow) that made me think you are using a swivel for #3 in your model.
What is it?
You still have some splain'in to do.
If this isn't 1-L, then we need some labels on the artwork to define what each object represents.
Nice one Mike O . . .You kill me . . . uh wait a minute
Originally Posted by Mike O
Bagger,
Nice post!
Matthew,
Is your model representing a simple machine or an actual golfer? That's what's confusing to me- I thought you were representing a "normal Human golfing machine" not just a simple machine. Please clarify.
Thanks,
Mike
Give it to Mikey . . . he'll eat anything . . . including human grey matter . . .
Mike . . . I just noticed your 10-20 bucket's closet. . . You are a funny fool!!! Very nice!!! I can't top that!!
Give it to Mikey . . . he'll eat anything . . . including human grey matter . . .
Mike . . . I just noticed your 10-20 bucket's closet. . . You are a funny fool!!! Very nice!!! I can't top that!!
No, you topped me in post #54- very nice! No one can top the Bucket! I mean no one!
Matthew,
I'm officially in Bagger's camp, that's the confused camp. Confused but waiting anxiously- love those graphics- but while we're waiting we'll be posting photos, bantering with Bucket, etc. just to pass the time.
The plane of the #3 accumulator is formed on two of it's four sides by
1) the left arm- defined by the straight line between the hand and the shoulder
and assuming a flat left wrist
2)the clubshaft- defined loosely by that straight line from the hands to the clubhead
We're using a zero shift plane in this example and looking at say the movement of the #3 accumulator plane from impact fix to the top in relation to the swing plane.
Since the left shoulder is not on the swing-plane (always "in front" of the swing plane- from impact fix to the top- assuming a #3 accumulator) and the hands are always on plane- then the #3 accumulator plane is closed to the swing plane and not parallel to the swing plane at any point in the backswing.
So your comment "parallel to" throws me. What do you mean by "parallel to" and where and how does that happen?
As a side note- after a little review - I believe that would make the #3 accumulator steeper than the swing plane- I believe I said in an earlier post that it was flatter- easier to see that it is closed to the swing plane but a little tougher to see that it is steeper- I used two small envelopes with one resting on the table at an angle representing the swing plane and the other envelope representing the #3 accumulator plane with the narrow side- resting on the "swing plane" -that's the clubshaft side of the number 3 accumulator plane and the other narrow side of the envelope elevated off of the swing plane with the lower corner representing the left shoulder at some point in the backswing.
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