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Old 09-07-2006, 09:02 PM
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Actually, I did make a mistake on the angle increasing. Mike O your quite correct - I did mean that it gets smaller on the V made by the upper arm and the lower arm...

Anyways...lol

Now since the right forearm is directly onplane at impact we can now know why you can't zero shift the turned shoulder plane and have the right shoulder onplane at impact and the right forearm also on that same plane. The only way that this can happen is a)the right arm is fully straightened or b)the plane of the elbow bend is the same as the inclined plane (push basic stroke) - not really good options...

So lets look at how you can get the right forearm directly on the inclined plane at impact.

The straight line of the triangle that goes between the right shoulder to the hands always stays on the inclined plane and the angle that the right elbow plane goes through the inclined plane being a factor on the right forearm position (vertical furthest away). As an approximation the length of the right forearm and the right upper arm is about the same - so relative to the plane of the right elbow bend plane - the angle on the right upper arm to the forearm will be double the degrees that of the angle of the shoulder to hands to the elbow. The only precise way would be to measure accurately and use simple trignometry.

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Old 09-07-2006, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mathew
Actually, I did make a mistake on the angle increasing. Mike O your quite correct - I did mean that it gets smaller on the V made by the upper arm and the lower arm...

Anyways...lol

Now since the right forearm is directly onplane at impact we can now know why you can't zero shift the turned shoulder plane and have the right shoulder onplane at impact and the right forearm also on that same plane. The only way that this can happen is a)the right arm is fully straightened or b)the plane of the elbow bend is the same as the inclined plane (push basic stroke) - not really good options...

So lets look at how you can get the right forearm directly on the inclined plane at impact.

The straight line of the triangle that goes between the right shoulder to the hands always stays on the inclined plane and the angle that the right elbow plane goes through the inclined plane being a factor on the right forearm position (vertical furthest away). As an approximation the length of the right forearm and the right upper arm is about the same - so relative to the plane of the right elbow bend plane - the angle on the right upper arm to the forearm will be double the degrees that of the angle of the shoulder to hands to the elbow. The only precise way would be to measure accurately and use simple trignometry.
Inclined plane yes, sweet spot plane maybe not; Wouldn't the RFA reside on a plane nearly parallel to and slightly below the true sweetspot plane if at impact your wrists are only level? Given that the sweetspot of the club is not inline with the shaft, wouldn't this have to be the case? For the RFA to be on the SS Plane, your wrists would hae to be slightly uncocked at impact, right? I realize that in reality, the difference would be negligible, but but isn't it there all the same?

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Old 09-07-2006, 09:46 PM
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Inclined plane yes, sweet spot plane maybe not; Wouldn't the RFA reside on a plane nearly parallel to and slightly below the true sweetspot plane if at impact your wrists are only level? Given that the sweetspot of the club is not inline with the shaft, wouldn't this have to be the case? For the RFA to be on the SS Plane, your wrists would hae to be slightly uncocked at impact, right? I realize that in reality, the difference would be negligible, but but isn't it there all the same?

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The right wrist always stays level regardless of the left wrist cocking motion - the right forearm is on the inclined plane - which includes the sweetspot at impact for, lets just say a very short time, as the right forearm has a 'cross-line motion' as it straightens. This is due to the right shoulder being above the inclined plane used for release.
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Old 09-07-2006, 10:28 PM
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The right wrist always stays level regardless of the left wrist cocking motion - the right forearm is on the inclined plane - which includes the sweetspot at impact for, lets just say a very short time, as the right forearm has a 'cross-line motion' as it straightens. This is due to the right shoulder being above the inclined plane used for release.
Right on... That fits with what I was thinking...

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Old 09-08-2006, 12:32 AM
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Now for looking at more things.

The right forearm whilst always in the plane of the elbow bend, it can still rotate - hence it can turn and roll also.

The right hand has about 180 degrees range of movement - approx 90 degrees either side of the elbow bend plane. If the elbow bend plane is on the inclined plane, for the hand to be vertical to the inclined plane it must have 'turned' 90 degrees also. If the elbow bend plane is vertical to the inclined plane, for the hand to be vertical to the inclined plane it must be in a neutral 0 degrees to either side - hence inline with the elbow bend plane. This these two alignments degrees match precisely.

Now unless the wrist is flat - when the forearm turns and rolls - with a fixed degree of bend (an alignment im still trying to form an opinion on either way), moves the club around in a sphere in a cone-line manner. This is dependant on the right forearm angle of approach into the ball. If the fixed degree of bend is true then the rotational movement of the right arm has to conform to this conical shape turning and rolling on the inclined plane....

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Old 09-08-2006, 12:37 AM
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Now for looking at more things.

The right forearm whilst always in the plane of the elbow bend, it can still rotate - hence it can turn and roll also.
Mathew,

It's going to get more tricky here with paddlewheel action, the straightening of the right elbow and it's effect on the #3 accumulator.

Hinge action will dictate right forearm roll characteristics.

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Old 09-08-2006, 12:50 AM
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Mathew,

It's going to get more tricky here with paddlewheel action, the straightening of the right elbow and it's effect on the #3 accumulator.

Hinge action will dictate right forearm roll characteristics.

Bagger
One step at a time...lol. This is going to be one long thread...lol
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