What is a . . .

[lagster]

Thanks!

Is that a battle that can be effectively and consistently won for most average humans?

Who would be some examples of Manipulated Hands Swingers?

I think people have pointed to Mr. Hogan . . . others?

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I believe Mr. Yoda is probably a MANIPULATED HANDS SWINGER.

The True Swinger, which is probably fairly rare, has to have his BALL POSITION exactly right. He moves the ball foward a little to draw, and back a little to fade. He has to get it exactly right to produce a straight shot.

A Manipulated Hands Swinger,for example, could move his ball back, program in his intentions, and produce a low draw if he desires.

[nuke99]

Sorry, lost u guys a little.

Does it mean the same thing as Hand Controlled Pivot for Swinger?

[12 piece bucket]

Sorry, lost u guys a little.

Does it mean the same thing as Hand Controlled Pivot for Swinger?

Naw . . . The Swinger is solely dependent upon Centrifugal Force . . . period for acceleration . . . CF also naturally generates Horizontal Hinging . . .

The Manipulated Hands Swinger utilizes different Hinge Action primarily Angled Hinging to affect ball flight changes. There is great variety in trajectory with Angled Hinging. There is ONE horizontal hinge motion but INFINITE Angled Variations. The Manipulated Hands Swinger changes his ball position as the Hitter . . . back for Hook and forward for Fade. This is opposite for a "True" Swinger.

Now the question and matter at hand is this . . . Since the Swinger is solely dependent upon CF for clubhead speed . . .and CF produces Horizontal Hinging naturally . . . then is the Maniplated Hands Swinger compromised as a result?

I don't think so but it could be argued that theoretically it is an inferior procedure???

[birdie_man]

I think Bobby Jones or VJ Singh are true Swingers.

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How does Circle Delivery Path fit in?

[Yoda]

How does Circle Delivery Path fit in?

Normally, the Circle Delivery Path is the product of the Shiftless Hip Turn. Great for Putting, not so great for Driving!

The Weight Shift (Hip Slide) makes possible a Line Delivery Path, but does not require it. Study 7-14, 10-14-A/C and 10-23-0/E.

[Yoda]

Now the question and matter at hand is this . . . Since the Swinger is solely dependent upon CF for clubhead speed . . .and CF produces Horizontal Hinging naturally . . . then is the Maniplated Hands Swinger compromised as a result?

Is the Manipulated Hands Swing compromised? Not in the least.

Centrifugal Force drives the Clubhead and aligns the Clubshaft. The player aligns the Clubface based on the shot at hand and the Pattern Variations he employs.

"The Mechanics of Golf is the production and manipulation of the Line of Compression." [Italics by Yoda.]

-- Homer Kelley (2-0)

And remember...

The 'manipulation' of the Clubface occurs prior to Start Up. There is no manipulation of the Clubface during the Stroke. So, align the Clubface as necessary when taking the Grip in its 'Fix' alignments, then...

Return the Left Hand to its Flat, Level and Vertical alignment at Impact.

The Clubface will respond accordingly.

[12 piece bucket]

Is the Manipulated Hands Swing compromised? Not in the least.

Centrifugal Force drives the Clubhead and aligns the Clubshaft. The player aligns the Clubface based on the shot at hand and the Pattern Variations he employs.

"The Mechanics of Golf is the production and manipulation of the Line of Compression." [Italics by Yoda.]

-- Homer Kelley (2-0)

And remember...

The 'manipulation' of the Clubface occurs prior to Start Up. There is no manipulation of the Clubface during the Stroke. So, align the Clubface as necessary when taking the Grip in its 'Fix' alignments, then...

Return the Left Hand to its Flat, Level and Vertical alignment at Impact.

The Clubface will respond accordingly.

I shall close the book on this now! Thanks Boss!

[tongzilla]

"Manipulated Hands Swinger" is a very misleading term to use.

It should be called "Manipulated Grip Swinger" instead, because you are not manipulating your swing at all, just your grip.

[12 piece bucket]

"Manipulated Hands Swinger" is a very misleading term to use.

It should be called "Manipulated Grip Swinger" instead, because you are not manipulating your swing at all, just your grip.

Thong . . . Is this what you is referencing?

For the “True” Hitter, Moving the Ball back (Hook alignment) or forward (Slice alignment) – always with the Clubface aligned to the Target Line per 2-J-1 – gives straightaway initial direction (2-B). Opening the Clubface (Slice Grip) or Closing the Clubface (Hook Grip) at your normal Impact Fix, produces Pushed Slices and Pulled Hooks and so require a compensating Target Line adjustment to make it square to the changed Clubface alignment.

For the “True” Swinger, “Opening” the Plane Line (10-5-D) until it is square to the Clubface alignment at the new “Aft” location, will produce a “Fade.” With the Ball moved Forward, “Closing” the Plane Line (10-5-E) square to the Clubface alignment at the new location, will produce a “Draw.” The Curve of the their paths, after the straightaway initial direction, will be proportional to the divergence of the Plane and Target Lines. Herein, “Path” terms (Ball Path etc.) refer to total Ball behavior, whether or not it remains straightaway. “Line” terms (“Target Line” etc.) refer to the straightaway direction of Aim.

[12 piece bucket]

Is the Manipulated Hands Swing compromised? Not in the least.

Centrifugal Force drives the Clubhead and aligns the Clubshaft. The player aligns the Clubface based on the shot at hand and the Pattern Variations he employs.

"The Mechanics of Golf is the production and manipulation of the Line of Compression." [Italics by Yoda.]

-- Homer Kelley (2-0)

And remember...

The 'manipulation' of the Clubface occurs prior to Start Up. There is no manipulation of the Clubface during the Stroke. So, align the Clubface as necessary when taking the Grip in its 'Fix' alignments, then...

Return the Left Hand to its Flat, Level and Vertical alignment at Impact.

The Clubface will respond accordingly.

Yes! Yes! Yes! The key to the Manipulated Hands Swinger is the FLAT LEVEL VERTICAL!

The Manipulated Hands Swinger is ONLY manipulating WHERE his FLAT LEVEL VERTICAL LEFT WRIST AT IMPACT OCURRS. In otherwords back in the stance for a Hook or up in the stance for a Fade. The grip of the club is rotated to achieve a square clubface.

I thought the Manipulated Hands Swinger physically DID something with his hands. But he does not . . . He just determines the point in the stance at which he will achieve Impact with his Flat Level and Vertical Left Wrist. And adjusts the clubface as the Hitter does.

For the “True” Hitter, Moving the Ball back (Hook alignment) or forward (Slice alignment) – always with the Clubface aligned to the Target Line per 2-J-1 – gives straightaway initial direction (2-B). Opening the Clubface (Slice Grip) or Closing the Clubface (Hook Grip) at your normal Impact Fix, produces Pushed Slices and Pulled Hooks and so require a compensating Target Line adjustment to make it square to the changed Clubface alignment.