Great post, sorry for the less than clear explanations.
G2M
No need for an apology- just ignore any venting that I post.
Here is section of the post above with your my post in red and your comment(s) in blue:
AThe #3 accumulator shaft plane at impact fix with a sandwedge would form a plane that includes these three points- the left shoulder, the #3 pressure point/grip end of the shaft, and the end of the clubshaft near the clubhead/hosel. For clarification sake - if you isolated that #3 accumulator shaft plane - then the three sides of that plane would be 1) the left arm 2) the clubshaft, 3) from the clubshaft near the hosel to the left shoulder. All of those would line up or be on the plane of the #3 accumulator.[color="red"]Remember, we were talking about the Right Arn
In the Golfing Machine when referring to the #3 accumulator 6-B-3-0 we are referring to the angle established between the clubshaft and the left forearm. So I didn't follow your comment that "we were talking about the Right Arm".
No need for an apology- just ignore any venting that I post.
Here is section of the post above with your my post in red and your comment(s) in blue:
AThe #3 accumulator shaft plane at impact fix with a sandwedge would form a plane that includes these three points- the left shoulder, the #3 pressure point/grip end of the shaft, and the end of the clubshaft near the clubhead/hosel. For clarification sake - if you isolated that #3 accumulator shaft plane - then the three sides of that plane would be 1) the left arm 2) the clubshaft, 3) from the clubshaft near the hosel to the left shoulder. All of those would line up or be on the plane of the #3 accumulator.[color="red"]Remember, we were talking about the Right Arn
In the Golfing Machine when referring to the #3 accumulator 6-B-3-0 we are referring to the angle established between the clubshaft and the left forearm. So I didn't follow your comment that "we were talking about the Right Arm".
Understood, but your post was in response to my post which said in part "For the RFA to be on the SS Plane, your wrists", and you brought in all the #3 ACC references etc. That is why I reminded you that the original discussion was about the RFA being on the SS plane as I described it in the earlier response.
From Mathew's earlier post "the right forearm is on the inclined plane - which includes the sweetspot at impact for, lets just say a very short time, as the right forearm has a 'cross-line motion' as it straightens. This is due to the right shoulder being above the inclined plane used for release."
This "crossline motion" Mathew speaks of is what I am trying to describe with the discussion you and I are debating. I will try to post some pictures if I can get stills to work from my V1 program
Understood, but your post was in response to my post which said in part "For the RFA to be on the SS Plane, your wrists", and you brought in all the #3 ACC references etc. That is why I reminded you that the original discussion was about the RFA being on the SS plane as I described it in the earlier response.
In my post#135 I quoted your post#119- take a look at it- no where does it say "For the RFA (Right Fore Arm) to be ...."
You've lost me again.
For clarification- When I don't follow something I try to isolate something specific so that I know at least something that is on solid ground- so the area of discussion of any of my posts on this thread - in principle - would ignore the larger context of Matthew's graphic/theory and just isolate one concept that I'm trying to understand.
Sounds like some interesting stuff- but I'm a little burnt- here's a section of my post#34 in this thread
Tell me we're not going to have a "engineer guided thread" - you know the kind that take 200 posts to get to the point! (West Coast LOL)-
Hey, it's probably just me but I could see it coming. I'll just finish off by saying "Looks like some great stuff. Graphics are great compared to anything I could do, but could be better with some shading etc. to show the plane relationships. It'd be nice if you could explain it so I could understand it- but maybe that's an issue with the reader (me) and not the writer. I'll check in every once in awhile on the thread and get caught up to date with any of your new discussions."
In my post#135 I quoted your post#119- take a look at it- no where does it say "For the RFA (Right Fore Arm) to be ...."
You've lost me again.
For clarification- When I don't follow something I try to isolate something specific so that I know at least something that is on solid ground- so the area of discussion of any of my posts on this thread - in principle - would ignore the larger context of Matthew's graphic/theory and just isolate one concept that I'm trying to understand.
Sounds like some interesting stuff- but I'm a little burnt- here's a section of my post#34 in this thread
Tell me we're not going to have a "engineer guided thread" - you know the kind that take 200 posts to get to the point! (West Coast LOL)-
Hey, it's probably just me but I could see it coming. I'll just finish off by saying "Looks like some great stuff. Graphics are great compared to anything I could do, but could be better with some shading etc. to show the plane relationships. It'd be nice if you could explain it so I could understand it- but maybe that's an issue with the reader (me) and not the writer. I'll check in every once in awhile on the thread and get caught up to date with any of your new discussions."
I didn't realize which post you had responded to... sorry about that chief(in my best Maxwell Smart voice)But hey, look at it this way... we've got 60 more posts to get to the point.
G2M
Last edited by golf2much : 09-09-2006 at 04:34 PM.
I didn't realize which post you had responded to... sorry about that chief(in my best Maxwell Smart voice)But hey, look at it this way... we've got 60 more posts to get to the point.
G2M
Thats it!
That's the solution!
The cone of silence.
We need to raise the cone of silence, then we can hear each other!
You've gone and done it now. If we get the cone of slience out now, we'll never get to 200 posts...darn it all
G2M
Darn it Bagger... see what you've gone and done now. Brought out the cone of silence and no more posts. Matthew better get busy or we'll all be smoking cold turkey.
I didn't realize which post you had responded to... sorry about that chief(in my best Maxwell Smart voice)But hey, look at it this way... we've got 60 more posts to get to the point.
G2M
A little humor just at the right time- nicely done Golf2much!
We need to look at the relationship of the right forearm and the motion it makes in relation to the inclined plane in the right elbow bend plane which dictate the wrist conditions.
Heres a graphic.
Now lets define this - regardless of anatomical restrictions
- If the plane of the elbow bend is onplane (pics - row 2)
a)bend and arch wrist motion is onplane with a level wrist throughout when the hand is vertical to the inclined plane (90 degrees turned from elbow bend plane)
b) cock and uncock motion is onplane with a flat wrist when the palm faces the inclined plane (0 degrees from elbow bend plane).
- If the plane of the elbow bend is directly vertical to the inclined plane (pics - row 1)
a) if the hand is vertical to the inclined plane(0 degrees from elbow bend plane), the onplane motion is that of bending and arching, the right forearm motion becomes uncocking (r forearm below plane) and cocking (r forearm above plane)
b) Also if the palm is directly facing the topside of the inclined plane (90 degrees rolled from elbow bend plane) then the cocking and uncocking motions are onplane as the wrist would arch (r forearm below plane) and bend (r forearm above plane)
c) If the palm is facing the underside (90 degrees turned from elbow bend plane) then the bend and arch are reversed from b) but still with the cocking and uncocking motions onplane.
- If the plane of the elbow bend is 45 degrees into the inclined plane (pics - row 3)
a) If the wrist is vertical to the inclined plane (45 degrees turned from elbow bend plane), the onplane motion is that of bending and arching and the right forearm motion becomes uncocking (r forearm below plane) and cocking (r forearm above plane). However the right forearm motion will also change the relationship to the onplane motion in the degree of bend or arch.
b) If the palm is on the topside of the inclined plane (45 degrees rolled from elbow bend plane) then the onplane motion is that of cocking and uncocking and the right forearm motion becomes arching (r.forearm below plane) and bending (r.forearm above plane). Again the right forearm motion will also change the relationship to the onplane motion - cock and uncock.
- If the plane of the elbow bend is 45 degrees into the inclined plane (pics - row 4)
a) If the wrist is vertical to the inclined plane (45 degrees rolled from elbow bend plane), the onplane motion is that of bending and arching and the right forearm motion becomes uncocking (r forearm below plane) and cocking (r forearm above plane). However the right forearm motion will also change the relationship to the onplane motion in the degree of bend or arch.
b) If the palm is on the underside of the inclined plane (45 degrees turned from elbow bend plane) then the onplane motion is that of cocking and uncocking and the right forearm motion becomes bending (r.forearm below plane) and arching (r.forearm above plane). Again the right forearm motion will also change the relationship to the onplane motion - cock and uncock.
This has been a wee bit tricky to type out so if made any errors please correct
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