WHY is horizontal hinging the natural hinge action for a swinger? CG
The short answer, physics and the design of the club. The fact that golf is a 'side on' game with a clubface/head that is offset from the shaft similar to a hockey stick.
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With my irons i feel a definate "roll" to produce a horizontal hinge action
With the driver i feel like my hands are just hanging on... does this mean that i'm likely angle hinging if i don't "feel the roll"?
With the driver...not necessarily. As the clubs get longer the easier it is for CF to completely take over if you allow it to. You'd REALLY have to be "holding it off" to produce angled hinging and it'd be no accident.
With the driver...not necessarily. As the clubs get longer the easier it is for CF to completely take over if you allow it to. You'd REALLY have to be "holding it off" to produce angled hinging and it'd be no accident.
Cool thanks, wasn't sure whether the "full roll feel" would be applicable in these longer shots. Definately feel the differences in hinge actions in the short shots
With my irons i feel a definate "roll" to produce a horizontal hinge action.
With the driver i feel like my hands are just hanging on... does this mean that i'm likely angle hinging if i don't "feel the roll"?
On the Flatter Plane Angles, Angled Hinging approaches Horizontal Hinging. Hence your ability to produce Horizontal Hinging with the Feel of 'No Roll.'
On the Steeper Plane Angles, Angled Hinging approaches Vertical Hinging. Hence the necessity for a more pronounced 'Roll' Feel to produce the Horizontal Hinge Action.
On the Flatter Plane Angles, Angled Hinging approaches Horizontal Hinging. Hence your ability to produce Horizontal Hinging with the Feel of 'No Roll.'
On the Steeper Plane Angles, Angled Hinging approaches Vertical Hinging. Hence the necessity for a more pronounced 'Roll' Feel to produce the Horizontal Hinge Action.
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This idea may be way “outside the box” but some 6 months ago I thought of the following explanation for why slicing is so common among golfers.
Here goes,
Lie angles of golf clubs are measured from the horizontal up to the clubshaft. The range is approximately from 64* to 56*. Since an angled hinge has layback and closing, a 45* angle would be half layback and half closing.
Since the lie angle of golf clubs is greater than 45*, the tendency would be to under-roll the clubface (toward vertical hinging as you stated above) if you are feeling no-roll. Hence, this could be a simple explanation for why slicing is such a problem for golfers as they are attempting a no-roll feel when they should have some feel of roll to close the clubface because of the angle of the clubshaft.
On the Flatter Plane Angles, Angled Hinging approaches Horizontal Hinging. Hence your ability to produce Horizontal Hinging with the Feel of 'No Roll.'
On the Steeper Plane Angles, Angled Hinging approaches Vertical Hinging. Hence the necessity for a more pronounced 'Roll' Feel to produce the Horizontal Hinge Action.
By this same line of reasoning, we can show why short-game vertical hinge actions are more often than not unnecessary. As the stroke gets shorter and the plane angle steeper, your angled hinge approaches a vertical hinge - all without the deliberate conscious manipulation (and danger) that comes with it!
By this same line of reasoning, we can show why short-game vertical hinge actions are more often than not unnecessary. As the stroke gets shorter and the plane angle steeper, your angled hinge approaches a vertical hinge - all without the deliberate conscious manipulation (and danger) that comes with it!
Matt,
Very astute observation...I can't tell you how many bladed shots I have seen people make trying to "hold the face open".
Wow that is probably the best post i have read to date!
Originally Posted by Yoda
On the Flatter Plane Angles, Angled Hinging approaches Horizontal Hinging. Hence your ability to produce Horizontal Hinging with the Feel of 'No Roll.'
On the Steeper Plane Angles, Angled Hinging approaches Vertical Hinging. Hence the necessity for a more pronounced 'Roll' Feel to produce the Horizontal Hinge Action.
Thanks for this Yoda, it makes a HUGE difference in translating the 'feel into real'. This post has saved me a potential few months worth of frustration !!!
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