Stretch Band Demonstration

[12 piece bucket]

12 piece bucket wrote,
"There is the Geometry of the Delivery Paths (and Lines) which your quote from the 5th does a superb job of describing. So this quote we would assume to be a statement of FACT. And if this is the case, then why have an Aiming Point at all? Why not just take the hands straight down the Straight Line Portion of the Delivery Path to the ball? "

12 piece,
i think this would be great!!!!

"The essence of Clubhead Lag technique is that it is always both aiming and thrust. Passive - it is primarily thrusting and lag pressure point. THe orbiting Clubhead does not seek out the ball - it seeks out the Deliviery line. But never directly only via the Right Forearm and the #3 pressure point per 2-F, 5-0 and 7-3. It is guided along that Line to the both arms straight configuration by the straight line thrust of the #3 pressure point toward the angle of approach quadrant of the ball or aiming point per 1-F, 1-L-9/10, 2-J-3, and 6-E-2."


now combine this with the straight line delivery path to the ball and we now have the delivery line and delivery path intersecting at impact.
sure we need our right forearm returning to its impact fix location but then we get 1-L-5 THROUGH 1-l-15 which is 11 out of the 21 characteristics of the basic golfing machine !!
but this has to be a great start for a precision downstroke !!

so aim your thrust straight line to a point at the upper portion on the inside aft quadrant of the ball with #3 pp.
unless you want a circle path or any of the other delivery paths that are not sraight line to the ball from the top because, as you note, everything is optional .

thanks,
comrade

I agree with you that this certainly makes perfect sense . . . HOWEVER . . . again there is Geometric Fact and then there are Illusions . . . which when they are UNDERSTOOD can be utilized to benefit the player. In this case the player can use an Aiming Point at which to direct or AIM pp3.

Also . . . the Impact Hand Location which we discussed earlier is an Illusion . . . from the player's perspective it SEEMS AS IF the hands cover the left toe . . . reality is different.

So bottom line as you said and as the genious that is Homer Kelley . . . we have options . . . lots of options some based in fact and others perception but perception can be reality too.

Many thanks to you as well. I hope that we have progressed. I know that sorting this out has helped me.

[12 piece bucket]

So we must remember that the Aiming Point Concept is primarily used to control the Snap Releases which per 10-24-E 10-24-E AUTOMATIC SNAP RELEASE This procedure drives the Lag Pressure Point through a Snap Release (6-N-0) as if there were to be no Release at all. . . .This action is possible only through use of the Aiming Point Concept (6-E-2). So is precision Impact control.

thanks 12 piece,
its been a huge help to me.

the aiming point concept is there primarily to show the relationship between the handspeed , clubshaft length, and release point to allow "the #3 pp to return to impact fix hand location at impact with all delivery paths ,delivery lines,pulley sizes, etc..."

and also from 6-e-2, "...impact always occurs during the pulley portion of the endless belt travel."

but it would be especially useful to know, if you wanted to use an automatic snap release, that a small pulley would require a slower handspeed.

but consider the pictures 10-24-e 1 & 2. if the endless belt went from the top, straight to the release point would "the release sufficiently precede impact to develop the calculated velocity, thrust, and direction for the impact requirements" as mr. kelley reccomends in 7-24 without disturbing the clubhead orbit per 1-L-9 (regardless of how the lever assembly is driven it moves in a circle.)?

notice too that in the pictures 10-24-e 1& 2 the arrows are not in the same place. they are in all other pictures in 10-24. in 10-24-e #1 the arrow points at the very bottom of the delivery path ((indicating the line of downward thrust(2-c-o,angle of attack) ?)
while the second arrow points to the hands after they have hit the pulley encounter and have yet to be released.(first arrow = direction of downward thrust, second arrow = release point?)

"this procedure drives the lag pressure point through a snap release (6-n-o)as if there were no release point at all."10-24-e

and certainly the delivery path would not go straight line directly to the hand location at impact since the handspeed would theoretically be or approaching zero ! ha!ha!

your golfing machine comrade

Not completely sure about this . . . but an examination of the text that is supported by the pics would probably be a good place to find an answer . . .

10-24-D NON-AUTOMATIC SNAP RELEASE This procedure delays the Triggering of the Release as long as possible and still allows sufficient time to execute the deliberate maneuvering of a Non-Automatic Trigger Type so that the Hands will still arrive in Impact location and position at Impact. A strong, deliberate whiplash type of motion.

I think that "allowing time" is the key element in the above. With the Non-Automatic Snap Release as with all Non-Automatic Releases . . . "There may be a “Starting to Hit” in the Non-Automatic but not with the Automatic." So you must have TIME to "start to hit" and therefore the arrow is further up the Delivery Line.

10-24-E AUTOMATIC SNAP RELEASE This procedure drives the Lag Pressure Point through a Snap Release (6-N-0) as if there were to be no Release at all. This action is possible only through the use of the Aiming Point Concept (6-E-2). So is precision Impact control. A strong whiplash type of motion is very effective in understanding this procedure (Study 2-P, 6-B-2-0 and 10-11-3-0).

I think what the arrows are trying to show is in 10-24-E #1 the arrow is pointing at the point where the Line portion of the Delivery Path ends and the Pulley begins. However, in 10-24-E #2 the hands are still "driven as if there were to be no Release at all." But this is POSSIBLE ONLY THROUGH AIMING POINT. So even though the hands have encountered the Pulley they are still being driven in a Straight Line fashion but there motion is now circular. So maybe this is why the arrow in 10-24-E #2 is pointing at the hands?

and Per 6-N-0 . . .

The earlier in the Downstroke the Release occurs, the larger, longer and slower the Release Arc will be for both Clubhead and Hands. Other things being equal, this will require higher Hand Speed to produce yardages equivalent to that of the short quick arc of Maximum Delay. This involves Angular Speed which is measured by the number of degrees of an Arc through which the motion moves per second. From Release to Impact is just so many degrees of travel – at the Left Shoulder and/or at the Left Wrist. Doubling the travel time (for instance) halves the travel rate. Also see 2-P and 7-23.
The smaller the Release Arc (Endless Belt Pulley - constant Hand Speed) the faster the Right Elbow must straighten and the faster there will be "Extension" (Lever Assemblies 2-P) and "Overtaking" (6-F #3 Accumulator) until the Right Arm becomes straight. All without affecting The Travel Rate of the Endless Belt."

[tobell]

Have I missed something???

12 piece bucket, has never even answered the 2 questions asked by Denny . Doing the razz el dazzle, like the the Broadway play Chicago, must also work in golf, or at least for some.

Open your eyes folks, clear your mind and read and reread this thread. This is not an easy subject.

Many have demonstrated it, but how many understand it. Further more, how can one effectively demonstrate something they do not completely understand? This is why we are here

Treating a complex subject or action as though is were simple, multiplies its complexity because of the difficulty in systematizing missing and unknown factors or elements. Demanding that golf instruction be kept simple does not make it simple - only incomplete and ineffective. Unless this is recognized, golf remains a vague, frustrating, infuriating form of exertion. T.G.M 1-B 7th Edition

Bucket,

Don't have any idea where RBG's comment is coming from either. Your posts demonstrate a deep and uncommon understanding of the complexities of TGM. Your thoughts, explanations and insights are inspired and often provide unrivaled clarity.

I'm certain many others appreciate and learn from your efforts as well. Please keep this in mind and avoid getting too distracted by detractors.

[12 piece bucket]

Bucket,

Don't have any idea where RBG's comment is coming from either. Your posts demonstrate a deep and uncommon understanding of the complexities of TGM. Your thoughts, explanations and insights are inspired and often provide unrivaled clarity.

I'm certain many others appreciate and learn from your efforts as well. Please keep this in mind and avoid getting too distracted by detractors.

Thanks man . . . I ain't mad. I was pretty sure I had at least attempted to answer his questions directly. Maybe not.

No biggie because I learned a lot while I studied it.

Thanks for the kind words.