The body controlled pivot swing is obviously so much easier to understand and convincing. if he write a book based on that, well he won't need so many confusing chapters to explain it. WHY he took the effort to explain SO many extra things? He took a good part of his life challenging his believe i guess. and keep correcting and challenging the concept.
To give the benifit of the doubt. Kelly may not gave a Total solution still. Someone will for instance may discover some other things to add on to the golf machine to either explain things better, or a better procedure, added components etc, or revamp the whole concept of the core of TGM. Who knows, i am waiting But please at least proove it like Homer do.
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Would it be correct to say the RFT is really a right shoulder turn takeaway and everything responds to that, i.e. left shoulder has to respond because the left hand is on the grip? If we were using both forearms to take the club back, up, and in would it then be a shoulder turn takeaway?
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
Guys i use my pivot to supply momentum to swing my hands to the top. However i still perform right forearm tracing and monitor the pressure points in my hands. Yet by what i've read on this thread i would be thrown in the inferior pivot controled hands group as my right forearm does not drag everything to the top. Is this correct? As i'm just using the same concepts for a swinger taught for the downstroke but for the backswing as well.
On another note i've experimented with the right forearm dragging everything to the top and as a swinger found it hard to get to grips with. For me it seemed to encourage hitting tendancies as i found it hard changing the power source from backswing to downswing. When using my pivot as the power source i get more of a feeling of the swinging forces early in the swing and it seems a more natural transition into the downswing.
On another note i've experimented with the right forearm dragging everything to the top and as a swinger found it hard to get to grips with. For me it seemed to encourage hitting tendancies as i found it hard changing the power source from backswing to downswing. When using my pivot as the power source i get more of a feeling of the swinging forces early in the swing and it seems a more natural transition into the downswing.
I have the exact same issue.
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
In a swinger you swing the club up using forearm (shaft pointing to center and a start up swivel enable that). In a downswing, you can use the Shoulder Throw or pivot thrust ( same? but i know its shoulder throw ) , feeling like the end of swing is maintained halfway down the swing and then the sequencial release. Thats how One way swinger use the Pivot. But still not body controlled pivot because the body have to tilt so with the intend that hand can be suported by the shoulder to go down blah blah etc .. too long
In hitter you "Lift it up " using forearms from impact fix and no roll takeaway. Use hand,arm, delivery line throw and simulaneos release.
dont know which chapter.]
Does that give u a clue? ..
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Yet by what i've read on this thread i would be thrown in the inferior pivot controled hands group as my right forearm does not drag everything to the top. Is this correct?
Sorry I brought the word superior up. There is nothing wrong in using the pivot to carry or throw the hands to the end of the backstroke. As long as your hands know where they are going.
You are in very good company.
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A guy named Joe Norwood...used to teach the same takeaway ...Ever read his book..."Golf- O - Metrics"....Another Cult Classic!!!!!
IMO opinion there is nothing wrong with a "Takeaway with the Torso"(Pivot or Shoulder Turn Takeaway)...Just be prepared for a plane shift whether intentional or NOT (BTW...I don't have problem with plane shifts either, just keep the base line straight). It is compatible with a "No Wrist Action Takeaway" which would set up later a Single Wrist Action and Snap Loading....Emphasis on More Physics...Just a Little Less Precision...but still effective enough for 18 Majors...BUT after doing both..I prefer the RFT with Start Up Swivel of the left Wrist Action as my own personal pattern and preference..
The point is of the video is there are huge benefits to a RFT...More than you'd first expect...The first one being tremendous control and precision of your Machine!!!!
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Can one effectively swing the club on one plane using the turned shoulder plane??
Standing inside a plane board set to the turned shoulder plane
one has to place the hands really high and level (See Dianne picture) at address. Does anyone actually do or teach this? PGA tour?
And Waiting For My Copy Of Homer Kelly's Book To Arrive
And Not Knowing (as Of Yet)..what..7-e-4 9-c-3 (i Made Up Those Numbers......not Having Book Yet
Please In Laymans Terms......explain To Me.......the Right Forearm Takeaway..........i Watched David Orr..............then I Read Someone Said Vertical.......to Me ....well To Me Im Just Confused......
But please at least proove it like Homer do.
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