Assuming a Full Stroke, setting up with the Hands, Right Forearm and Clubshaft on a Zero Shift Turned Shoulder Plane is very awkward. Its Straight Line Delivery Path requires:
"...a steeper than normal Elbow Plane compensated with a reaching-out of the arms and a shifting of the Left Hand Grip that places the Clubshaft in the cup of the Hand instead of under the heel of the Hand, and the Right Hand Grip adjusted to correspond." [7-23]
Or, alternatively, the same "steeper" configuration of the Arms with the Left Wrist Uncocked (not Level).
I know of no top-ranked player who Addresses the Ball in this manner (although I suppose the late Moe Norman came close). In fact, most would consider this procedure 'Golf-like' only in its Short Shot applications (with the player standing close to the Ball and using Zero #3 Accumulator).
Full Shots, on the other hand, normally are Addressed with the Forearm positioned much more naturally on the Elbow Plane (and thus below the Turned Shoulder Plane). During Start Up, the Club begins its journey on that Elbow Plane and, as the Backstroke progresses, shifts from this very Flat Plane Angle -- again, very naturally -- to the more Upright Turned Shoulder Plane (where it can be aligned with Shoulder Turn Thrust and Support during the Downstroke). If the Club returns to the Elbow Plane during Release, then there has been a Double Shift (10-7-C) from Elbow Plane to Turned Shoulder Plane and back again. Otherwise, it is classified as a Single Shift (10-7-B) from Elbow Plane to Turned Shoulder Plane (with no return to the Elbow Plane). At no time does this 'tilting' of the Plane Angle affect its straight-line Baseline. In other words, despite any Plane Shift, the Sweetspot continues to point at the Plane Line (1-L #18 ). This alignment, combined with the Left Wrist held Level at Address, makes it unlikely that the player will be aware of either the Single or the Double Shift as they occur.
In my opinion, there is only way to execute a Zero Shift Stroke on the Turned Shoulder Plane from a 'normal' Address position of the Right Forearm and Clubshaft. And that is for the player to ignore this initial Elbow Plane positioning in the Start Up. Instead, he immediately must use the Right Forearm to take the Hands and Sweetspot directly up (and then down) one of the Straight Line Delivery Paths (10-23-A or C). Otherwise, his Address Position has committed him to one of the Angled Line Delivery Paths (10-23-B or D). This assumes, of course, that the player is not using Circle Path Delivery (10-23-E) and its 'no Axis Tilt' Pivot.
Finally, remember always that there are Three Zones of action: Body, Arms and Hands. Accordingly, at no time does the proper use of the Right Forearm and Elbow eliminate, replace or otherwise compromise the Pivot, either its Motion -- the sequenced movement of its Components -- or its geometrical alignments.
This here is some RED MEAT!!! I like RARE STEAK beat it in the head with a bat! Put it on the plate! Let the Yellow blood run out!!!
Bossman . . . could you describe what is going on in the Angled Line Delivery Paths from a DOWN THE LINE VIEW? I'm not smelling it from the face on pic as in 10-23-B. Does Angled Line have a Straight Line portion?
Also . . .
Accordingly, at no time does the proper use of the Right Forearm and Elbow eliminate, replace or otherwise compromise the Pivot, either its Motion -- the sequenced movement of its Components -- or its geometrical alignments
The proper use of the Right Arm does "eliminate, replace or compromise" the Pivot . . . BUT DOES IT NOT AID THE PIVOT?
Plane Angle Variations and Delivery Paths -- Connecting the Dots
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Bossman . . . could you describe what is going on in the Angled Line Delivery Paths from a DOWN THE LINE VIEW? I'm not smelling it from the face on pic as in 10-23-B. Does Angled Line have a Straight Line portion?
The Delivery Paths (10-23) have their 'down-the-line' equivalents in the Plane Angle Variations (10-7).
Straight Line Paths (10-23-A and 10-23-C) imply a Zero Shift Plane Angle (10-7-A). Angled Line Paths (10-23-B and 10-23-D) imply Single and Double Shift Plane Angles (10-7-B and 10-7-C).
The Straight Line portion of an Angled Line Path occurs on the Elbow Plane (in both directions).
I have a question though that is related to the takeaway and your Pivot. I think you are an expert in this area since you had posted 2 very intriging posts in this area.
We got the Upper chest and the Abdomen area and the Hip Area.
The question is , when you do the right forearm takeaway, Which of this area would you think of flexing more?
If you flex more at the upper shoulder point. You get a look like the shoulder (chest) and upper spine looks more rounded and stressed
If you flex more at the abdominal section, You get a look like Tiger wood. Pretty squared or relaxed shoulder on the top..
If you flex more at the hip. you get a more Sam snead/bendoyle relaxed torso look.
Do you think this make any structural or dynamic difference in Swinging or Hitting . Body controlled or Hand controlled Pivot?
Thanks.. Sorry I think sometime I over analyse thing.Or i may be speculating what i am guessing. but I am really curious what you think !
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The section which enable you to turn the most smoothly is the best "flex" location.
Say you got a big tummy. dont flex at the abominal instead use the upper chest or the hips.
If you are Old and it hurts to move your torso.. Use the Hips more.
But if you are really fit , I truly think the abdomen flex is the best. Because it have the most softest tissue and it enable us to swing the smoothest possible. And the Upper arms alignments is the easiest to be intacted this way?
On another hand, I saw somewhere its sometime good to Lock your spine using the axis tilt on the way down... well, I am not an expert.. Just a Noob trying to have some fun challenging the idea.
Just a thought. what do you think about my deduction , Am i daydreaming ?
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