What is it? How does it function in a golf swing? Is it useful for both methods of accelerating the club (hitting and swinging)?
I think this is an important topic . . . but I'm not really qualified to discuss the physics aspect because of the genetic crap shoot and all.
Bucket,
I want to apologize. I completely missed the "angular" in your question. I was so concentrated on conservation and momentum, that I answered the wrong question. I literally went off on a tangent.
I like this example - it shows why tempo - transition, and gravity are important - the ratio of back to through in time.
The double pendulum is an example of a "simple" system whose motion results in chaotic behavior. Thus, the similarity of the golf stroke is not surprising.
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Ah, but this can lift some fog for any true swinger IMO
The image shows you why there have been many who speak of 'complete the backswing' or 'pause at the top' or 'wait for it' as transition swing keys.
The image shows you what happens if you start down too quick/too soon - throwaway
There are also some lessons here for the aiming point concept.....and loading
One of the reasons I love the Tour Tempo sounds - they show you how to make sure you don't start down too soon - how to let gravity help you with your timing so that 'lower pendulumn' doesn't out race the upper and throw the club away.
I suspect many may dismiss this as a minor point - but if you are a swinger, a very, very important image to understand (why this shows a bad example, and what a 'true swing' would need to be for there not to be throw away)
Steph - do you know the calculation which would show what the ratio of back to through would need to be (in time) of the primary pendulumn for the secondary pendulumn not to have throw away (until about 7-8 o'clock as 'in line')? Just curious if my understanding of a 3 to 1 ratio (pi) is correct.
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Ah, but this can lift some fog for any true swinger IMO
The image shows you why there have been many who speak of 'complete the backswing' or 'pause at the top' or 'wait for it' as transition swing keys.
The image shows you what happens if you start down too quick/too soon - throwaway
There are also some lessons here for the aiming point concept.....and loading
One of the reasons I love the Tour Tempo sounds - they show you how to make sure you don't start down too soon - how to let gravity help you with your timing so that 'lower pendulumn' doesn't out race the upper and throw the club away.
I suspect many may dismiss this as a minor point - but if you are a swinger, a very, very important image to understand (why this shows a bad example, and what a 'true swing' would need to be for there not to be throw away)
Steph - do you know the calculation which would show what the ratio of back to through would need to be (in time) of the primary pendulumn for the secondary pendulumn not to have throw away (until about 7-8 o'clock as 'in line')? Just curious if my understanding of a 3 to 1 ratio (pi) is correct.
Ed,
I think the Tour Tempo 3 to 1 factor was experimentally or observationally derived. It would not be easy to solve the double pendulum equations to arrive at that ratio. Basically, that double pendulum figure is being driven strictly by gravity. There are no other forcing functions. In the golf stroke with forces active during takeaway and the down swing, it gets very complicated to derive timing ratios like you are looking for. Someone may have done it, but I am not aware of such work. Sorry.
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Steph
Distance is Magic; Precision is Practice.
I like this example - it shows why tempo - transition, and gravity are important - the ratio of back to through in time.
I'm now starting to think that EDZ is also 12 piece Bucket- either way when bucket starts a thread it inevitably slopes downhill. I was memorized today for four hours watching this thingy move- then went out on the par 3 course and shot 172! Ed have you got another thingy that can de-program my throwaway problem!!
I'm now starting to think that EDZ is also 12 piece Bucket- either way when bucket starts a thread it inevitably slopes downhill. I was memorized today for four hours watching this thingy move- then went out on the par 3 course and shot 172! Ed have you got another thingy that can de-program my throwaway problem!!
No kidding! I saw that same thing once on a hair-lipped stripper in Tupelo . . . I got "memorized" too.
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