Your post highlights a major difficulty in teaching, and that is determining whether the Student is a Hitter or a Swinger. As Homer Kelley says in 1-F: "Whether [the Right Arm] participation is active or passive is difficult to detect visually...".
After experiencing thousands of Golf Strokes, an alert and knowldgeable Instructor can come to sense the Motion of the Hitter versus the Swinger. Sometimes, perhaps even most often, the difference is immediately apparent. Particularly in terms of Address Position, Length of Stroke, obvious Loading characteristics, the Release Motion through Impact, the Roll of the Hinge Action and the Finish characteristics.
In the case of my video, I think it is difficult to tell. And that is because I have worked very hard to make sure there is as little difference between them as possible. For example, in this video, I used Standard Address in both. And my Hands stop at or near Right Shoulder high in both. Also, my Body (Pivot) Loads the Lag during the Start Down and transports my Power Package to Release. I Trace the Straight Line Delivery Line in both. [I rarely use the Angle of Approach procedure when I Hit.]
So, I have worked hard to keep the Geometry of the Stroke -- how it looks to others -- as consistent as possible. Nevertheless, the Physics of the Action -- what drives the Club through Impact -- is totally different. In the Swing, my Backstroke was a touch longer, and I Loaded my Left Wrist. During Release, my Left Wrist 'Throws Out' the Club. In the Hit, the Backstroke was slightly shorter, and I Loaded my Right Elbow, and during Release, my Right Elbow Drives Out -- hard. So, the Loading and the Release are the differenting factors. And in my own case, that is very "difficult to detect visually."
But if you could Feel what I Feel...
Wow!
Big Difference!
In Hitting, that piston-like Right Arm Thrust is unmistakeable. As is its active #3 Pressure Point Pressure. In Swinging, that same Pressure Point (and Right Forearm) guides the Stroke but it is passive. I 'crank the Gyroscope' with the Pivot in Start Down and then hang on as Centrifugal Force does the work.
It's fun to be able to do both. If for no other reason than it helps you to better understand your own natural inclinations and how to make your preferred Pattern as pure as possible.
I like this post . . . I have you on video from my Swamp dealie and as you say it is VERY difficult to see the difference. I actually think that you can pick it up better in "full speed" view rather than Freeze Frame (was that the J Giles Band?). The Swing looks a little more "swingy" and the Hit looks a little more "punchy."
Why do you "dis" the Angle of Approach? Super Ted is a-foaming at-the-mouth-Angle-of-Approach-rip-you-a-new-one-Hitter right? Mr. K LOVED the Angle of Approach procedure right?
Is your Hitting Trace different than your Swinging Trace?
I like this post . . . I have you on video from my Swamp dealie and as you say it is VERY difficult to see the difference. I actually think that you can pick it up better in "full speed" view rather than Freeze Frame (was that the J Giles Band?). The Swing looks a little more "swingy" and the Hit looks a little more "punchy."
Why do you "dis" the Angle of Approach? Super Ted is a-foaming at-the-mouth-Angle-of-Approach-rip-you-a-new-one-Hitter right? Mr. K LOVED the Angle of Approach procedure right?
Is your Hitting Trace different than your Swinging Trace?
Even to the trained eye, it is definitely easier to visually pick up the nuances 'in motion' versus 'freeze frame.' And for whatever the reason, it is also easier to detect the nuances 'in person' rather than on video. At least it is for me.
For the record, my dear friend and yesterday's birf'day boy, Bucket, I never "dissed" the Angle of Approach" procedure. I just choose not to use it. As you can see in the Hitter's Drive Loading Stroke Pattern (12-1-0), the listed Variation is the Square Plane Line (10-5-A). This is the Geometric basis of the Angle of Approach Visual Equivalent and, as such, is always the player's option.
If I had more time to devote to it, that could change. But for now, the steepness of the Backstroke feels artificial to me, and I could not trust it without a lot more work.
That said, Homer felt it was the most sophisticated application of the Hitting procedure. But he also said it wasn't worth the trouble for most players.
Ted goes back and forth between the two. Right now, I think he's 'forth,' but you will need to ask him!
Even to the trained eye, it is definitely easier to visually pick up the nuances 'in motion' versus 'freeze frame.' And for whatever the reason, it is also easier to detect the nuances 'in person' rather than on video. At least it is for me.
For the record, my dear friend and yesterday's birf'day boy, Bucket, I never "dissed" the Angle of Approach" procedure. I just choose not to use it. As you can see in the Hitter's Drive Loading Stroke Pattern (12-1-0), the listed Variation is the Square Plane Line (10-5-A). This is the Geometric basis of the Angle of Approach Visual Equivalent and, as such, is always the player's option.
If I had more time to devote to it, that could change. But for now, the steepness of the Backstroke feels artificial to me, and I could not trust it without a lot more work.
That said, Homer felt it was the most sophisticated application of the Hitting procedure. But he also said it wasn't worth the trouble for most players.
Ted goes back and forth between the two. Right now, I think he's 'forth,' but you will need to ask him!
I do like the Angle of Approach procedure. There are times that I'll use 10-5-A and times that I'll use 10-5-E. I like using E when I'm working on down and out thrust, and I find it very safe in competition. Since I only swing in demonstrating, I have little use for the 10-5-A, anymore.
It's personally entertaining to take a wedge, send it out about thirty degrees right of the target, and watch the ball go dead straight.
I do like the Angle of Approach procedure. There are times that I'll use 10-5-A and times that I'll use 10-5-E. I like using E when I'm working on down and out thrust, and I find it very safe in competition. Since I only swing in demonstrating, I have little use for the 10-5-A, anymore.
It's personally entertaining to take a wedge, send it out about thirty degrees right of the target, and watch the ball go dead straight.
TeddyLawng. . . . What say you about the Divergence of the Delivery Line and the Clubface?
I think many would assume that the above quote I bolded would result in a big fat hook . . . Tell 'em why it just ain't so! That is the beauty of the Angle of Approach Procedure . . . it ain't for girlie mens is it?!?!
I just choose not to use it. As you can see in the Hitter's Drive Loading Stroke Pattern (12-1-0), the listed Variation is the Square Plane Line (10-5-A). This is the Geometric basis of the Angle of Approach Visual Equivalent and, as such, is always the player's option.
Hybrid Mode
