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Old 10-20-2006, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla

Nice answer Yoda

Just so I fully comprehend what you're saying...

Lets say you were in the final round of your club champs, and you had a simple bread and butter drive you need to hit long and straight. Are you saying you might Swing or Hit that shot depending purely on how you feel that day -- as opposed to any mechanical reasons such as "I usually hit it further with Swinging" or "I usually hit it straighter with Hitting"?
With everything on the line...

Hitting or Swinging...

I would 'Drag my Wet Mop' -- sustain Clubhead Lag -- from the Top through Follow-Through to as far as I could into the Finish.
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Old 10-21-2006, 01:10 AM
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I've heard it said before on this site that learning to hit can improve swinging. Besides familiarizing the player with the feel of PP3, in what other ways can hitting help to improve swinging? While we're at it, in what ways can learning to swing help a hitter?
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Old 10-21-2006, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigwill

I've heard it said before on this site that learning to hit can improve swinging. Besides familiarizing the player with the feel of PP3, in what other ways can hitting help to improve swinging? While we're at it, in what ways can learning to swing help a hitter?
Bigwill,

With Swinging, Centrifugal Force does so many things to help.
-- It aligns the Clubshaft.

-- It aligns the Clubface.

-- It thrusts the Clubhead.
Pity the poor Hitter.

He must do all three...with absolutely no help from 'Mother Nature.' Since only his Thrust is different, he must know -- and be able to supply -- all the other alignments.

Bottom Line:

Hitting is much harder to learn than Swinging.

But once you know it...

It is easier.

Two reasons to learn Hitting:

1. When you Hit, you are never out of your Impact alignments.

2. When you can Hit, you know the mission-critical Swinging Alignments.

At this point, Swinging becomes...

"...like shooting ducks in a pond."

-- Homer Kelley
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Old 10-21-2006, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
Bigwill,


.....Hitting is much harder to learn than Swinging.

But once you know it...

It is easier.

Two reasons to learn Hitting:

1. When you Hit, you are never out of your Impact alignments.

2. When you can Hit, you know the mission-critical Swinging Alignments.

At this point, Swinging becomes...

"...like shooting ducks in a pond."

-- Homer Kelley

So in the sequence of learning should one start with swinging...move to hitting....or would that be a decision based on an evaluation of the player's initial natural tendencies.
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Old 10-21-2006, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
Bigwill,

With Swinging, Centrifugal Force does so many things to help.
-- It aligns the Clubshaft.

-- It aligns the Clubface.

-- It thrusts the Clubhead.
Pity the poor Hitter.

He must do all three...with absolutely no help from 'Mother Nature.' Since only his Thrust is different, he must know -- and be able to supply -- all the other alignments.

Bottom Line:

Hitting is much harder to learn than Swinging.

But once you know it...

It is easier.

Two reasons to learn Hitting:

1. When you Hit, you are never out of your Impact alignments.

2. When you can Hit, you know the mission-critical Swinging Alignments.

At this point, Swinging becomes...

"...like shooting ducks in a pond."

-- Homer Kelley
Check out this beautiful action...

Notice in Frame 11, the finish swivel per 4-D-0, "But all players must "Swivel" - actually rotate their Wrists - into the "parallel to the Plane" position for the Finish (8-12) after the Followthrough.

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Old 10-21-2006, 03:03 PM
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Who is that?

Weiskopf?
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Old 10-21-2006, 07:58 PM
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Not to threadjack my own thread, but would that be an example of a double shift in the stroke sequence. Elbow plane to turned shoulder plane(?) back to elbow plane. Is that right?

Thanks,

Kevin
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Old 10-21-2006, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by kebeal
Not to threadjack my own thread, but would that be an example of a double shift in the stroke sequence. Elbow plane to turned shoulder plane(?) back to elbow plane. Is that right?

Thanks,

Kevin

Kind of looks like it to these untrained eyes.
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Old 10-22-2006, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by kebeal
Not to threadjack my own thread, but would that be an example of a double shift in the stroke sequence. Elbow plane to turned shoulder plane(?) back to elbow plane. Is that right?

Thanks,

Kevin
I reckon so ... in strictest terms the shift is of the sweetspot plane ( ie. clubhead sweetspot to PP3 location) rather than shaft plane - always hard to work out from a non perfect set of images , just off down-the-line view - but shaft appears to double shift.
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Old 10-21-2006, 09:06 PM
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).

The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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