Giving it away
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10-22-2006, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by golfbulldog
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Spread the message correctly and some will seek to know the source and not just the messenger. If good TGM instruction gets out to the public, no matter who delivers that instruction, there will be some who want to discover where this good stuff really came from! Then just wait for the ripples... but at the moment the pond is small... get the message out there into the ocean and wait for the ripples ... suddenly "surfs up"!
Patience is the key... Homer spent 40+years doing it ...
How many of us post on the internet on TGM specific sites but don't write to golf magazines ? Have you seen the average standard of "letters to the editor"?? How many times does "Slow play" get "letter of the month"!!!!
I suggest gentle letters to a few editors and see what happens. Lets not appear too crazy!! Maybe Bucket had better put his pen down now and stand away from paper!! Can he write anyway??
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You mean , "Put his crayon down and stand away from the brown paper sack." 
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10-22-2006, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bmike
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A few years back I wrote to Golf Mag about honoring Homer Kelley in their Hall of Fame. That it would be nice to do this while Sally was a live. I asked others to follow up with a letter. I never hear a word from them. I have written Golf Tips mag about a TGM column- nothing. Even my paper doesn't want to do a story but wrestling away story space from a golf writer is like messing with his wife. I have tried. I do think it is a crime for Homer's work to go uncredited.
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I guessed it had been tried before ... but no harm in persisting. I will send one off, let the trickle begin...
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10-22-2006, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by efnef
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You mean , "Put his crayon down and stand away from the brown paper sack."
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I thought i was getting a bit cocky but you are really digging the child-proof scissors in!
I feel fairly safe in UK - it will be a long time before he realises that Englan-istan is not on any map!
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10-22-2006, 09:11 PM
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6Bmike, you are aware that a whole series was done in the early 80s about TGM and Homer in Golf Monthly?
I don't know if the sister publication ran them, I wasn't in the country at the time.
I was doing a bit of digging into the IP issue you raised.
It seems that AIs, if they pay their dues they can
- Use their title/designation on business cards, stationary, websites and locally displayed signs
- Can in limited use the Logo providing it is pre-approved
- AI can may give private or group golf lessons using the techniques learned from the book The Golfing Machine
They don't say you can't write, etc and that you don't have get prior approval. I am sure as it is with all material that is normally referenced, you just get approval prior and while doing research, however I don't believe you have to submit for review, but then again they don't have give you approval.
I am still troubled by the need for teaching professionals to HAVE TO give credit, I only see them doing it is an entire quote or they are trying to get validation.
From 69 to 83, it seems that TGM really didn't take hold, yet it had several opportunities when the PGA looking at it, etc.
Its a hard sell so it would appear.
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10-22-2006, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Martee
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6Bmike, you are aware that a whole series was done in the early 80s about TGM and Homer in Golf Monthly?
I don't know if the sister publication ran them, I wasn't in the country at the time.
I was doing a bit of digging into the IP issue you raised.
It seems that AIs, if they pay their dues they can
- Use their title/designation on business cards, stationary, websites and locally displayed signs
- Can in limited use the Logo providing it is pre-approved
- AI can may give private or group golf lessons using the techniques learned from the book The Golfing Machine
They don't say you can't write, etc and that you don't have get prior approval. I am sure as it is with all material that is normally referenced, you just get approval prior and while doing research, however I don't believe you have to submit for review, but then again they don't have give you approval.
I am still troubled by the need for teaching professionals to HAVE TO give credit, I only see them doing it is an entire quote or they are trying to get validation.
From 69 to 83, it seems that TGM really didn't take hold, yet it had several opportunities when the PGA looking at it, etc.
Its a hard sell so it would appear.
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well I guess we are all free to take from Homer and from how Lynn unlocked its mysteries and capitalize on it without a care.
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10-22-2006, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bmike
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A few years back I wrote to Golf Mag about honoring Homer Kelley in their Hall of Fame. That it would be nice to do this while Sally was a live. I asked others to follow up with a letter. I never hear a word from them. I have written Golf Tips mag about a TGM column- nothing. Even my paper doesn't want to do a story but wrestling away story space from a golf writer is like messing with his wife. I have tried. I do think it is a crime for Homer's work to go uncredited.
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The one newspaper article I have seen that mentioned TGM was an interview with Ben Doyle that appeared in the Monterey Peninsula Herald two or three years ago. The article was on the newspaper's website at one time, I am not sure it is still on the site. I happened to see the article when I went to the Monterey peninsula to play Pacific Grove Muni.
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10-23-2006, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bmike
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A few years back I wrote to Golf Mag about honoring Homer Kelley in their Hall of Fame. That it would be nice to do this while Sally was a live. I asked others to follow up with a letter. I never hear a word from them. I have written Golf Tips mag about a TGM column- nothing. Even my paper doesn't want to do a story but wrestling away story space from a golf writer is like messing with his wife. I have tried. I do think it is a crime for Homer's work to go uncredited.
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I'm surprised Golf Tips didn't respond. The few issues I have seen of theirs have had very obvious TGM influence, more obvious than the main mags or TGC (which are becoming more and more clear and direct over the last several years/months - with obvious influence from the 'boards' IMO).
No doubt if ANY instructor truly belongs in the Hall of Fame, it is Homer Kelley.
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10-23-2006, 07:37 PM
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here, here...
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Originally Posted by EdZ
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I'm surprised Golf Tips didn't respond. The few issues I have seen of theirs have had very obvious TGM influence, more obvious than the main mags or TGC (which are becoming more and more clear and direct over the last several years/months - with obvious influence from the 'boards' IMO).
No doubt if ANY instructor truly belongs in the Hall of Fame, it is Homer Kelley.
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I'll second that motion.
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10-23-2006, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bmike
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I do think it is a crime for Homer's work to go uncredited.
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You hit the nail on the head there.
Too many DORKS who know too little....with too big of egos....and too much $$$ out there to have. (to cloud it all)
Anyone who KNOWS knows how good this book is.
Plan and simple. I could rant about this for lines and lines and lines...
It's just an injustice...
To Homer...to AIs who know better....to golfers who are getting CRAP shoved in their faces from every direction.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by EdZ
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No doubt if ANY instructor truly belongs in the Hall of Fame, it is Homer Kelley.
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I agree 100%. And surely if they had a section for golf researchers....it should be named after the man.
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10-24-2006, 06:56 AM
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Wildfire
Don't sell yourselves short. Some vested interests may be reluctant to acknowledge or credit Homer but even here in rural Western Australia I have seen the seeds planted by Lynn starting to sprout. Your videos are circulating and even some club members who have never laid a finger on a computer in their lives know of Yoda and the flying wedges.
Without the approval of the establishment or the support of golf magazines, the word is spreading rapidly where it counts - at the grass roots. Multiply that by country after country and mainstream recognition is inevitable. It is simply a matter of time before those who are serious about learning the golf stroke will demand TGM.
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