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Old 11-17-2006, 12:41 PM
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So the essentials are a "must" for those who already comply with the three imperatives, play a "pretty good game of golf", and want to make their games even more precise?

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No- You missed something in the understanding. If you have the three imperatives - you're done- meaning the masterpiece is complete!

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P.S. Bucket told me you get a gold watch at 400 posts-is that true?
A gold (leaf) Rolex with a second hand that stops on every second.
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Old 11-17-2006, 04:23 PM
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A gold (leaf) Rolex with a second hand that stops on every second.
I see Ted already picked up his watch. Mike, I've shipped yours to your local Walmart. You'll find it stored in a "safe" at the front of the store. Be sure to bring a quarter, as you'll need to insert it into the machine and twist the dial before it'll give you you're watch.

I've already shipped some rub-on spiderman tatoos and plastic jewelry to Atlanta in preparation for Ted's 700th post

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Old 11-17-2006, 02:04 PM
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No- You missed something in the understanding. If you have the three imperatives - you're done- meaning the masterpiece is complete!
OK, I think that's in my noggin - the rest of the components that make up the human golfing machine all vary from person to person and from swing to swing, but they must comply with the three imperatives. If you do those things right, the ball should go where you've programmed the machine to send it. Sound accurate?

Maybe I'm just giving these items too much importance, but I'm still curious why he would call out those three things at such a high level. Do you have any thoughts on this? Is it possible he's identifying three things that have great influence on other components? If you do not execute those three things as intended, it's going to be awfully tough to consistently execute quite a few of the other selected components as intended, no?
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Old 11-17-2006, 03:09 PM
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I may be stating the obvious here, but I don't think anybody said this directly.

The 3 imperatives are directly related to the machine concept. They give control of the clubface, clubhead, and clubshaft. If we want to control the ball, we must first control the object that comes into contact with the ball.

So I see the 3 imperative as being the basic machine assembly. If any machine part (or imperative) is missing something must be compensated in the swing to make up for the missing part.

The 3 essentials make the already assembled machine more precise and consistent.

Trying to improve your motion without a properly assembled machine (or without the 3 imperatives) is like trying to use your brand new lawn mower when it is laying in pieces on the ground, or maybe it was put together incorrectly. So it looks like a lawn mower, but you will have a very hard time cutting that lawn if the blade does not spin, or there is no gas in the tank.
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Old 11-18-2006, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by KnighT
I may be stating the obvious here, but I don't think anybody said this directly.

The 3 imperatives are directly related to the machine concept. They give control of the clubface, clubhead, and clubshaft. If we want to control the ball, we must first control the object that comes into contact with the ball.

So I see the 3 imperative as being the basic machine assembly. If any machine part (or imperative) is missing something must be compensated in the swing to make up for the missing part.

The 3 essentials make the already assembled machine more precise and consistent.

Trying to improve your motion without a properly assembled machine (or without the 3 imperatives) is like trying to use your brand new lawn mower when it is laying in pieces on the ground, or maybe it was put together incorrectly. So it looks like a lawn mower, but you will have a very hard time cutting that lawn if the blade does not spin, or there is no gas in the tank.
Great post, I like it a lot!
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Old 11-17-2006, 11:17 PM
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OK, I think that's in my noggin - the rest of the components that make up the human golfing machine all vary from person to person and from swing to swing, but they must comply with the three imperatives. If you do those things right, the ball should go where you've programmed the machine to send it. Sound accurate? Sounds Good!

Maybe I'm just giving these items too much importance, but I'm still curious why he would call out those three things at such a high level. Do you have any thoughts on this? Is it possible he's identifying three things that have great influence on other components? If you do not execute those three things as intended, it's going to be awfully tough to consistently execute quite a few of the other selected components as intended, no?
I see where you are going with the thought process- which seems logical to me- your thought process that is.

I would say it all flows from 1-L. So in 2-0 under essentials and imperatives you've got to keep the Machine concept and everything he talks about in 1-L in reference. The Essentials and Imperatives in 2-0 is really the segway - he's building the bridge- that is - he is referencing, reviewing, and summarizing the Machine Concept- what a precision stroke includes based on the 1-L The Machine Concept and then the first paragraph after the Basic Essentials and Basic Imperatives leads us from the Chapter 1-L Machine concept right into the science- and the geometrical relationships. So based on this Machine Concept- here are the scientific application and verification and elaboration of that Machine Concept- it's his logical progression.

So really the essentials and the imperatives covers all 21 items in 1-L- you could essentially check them all off the list with those six items. Now, looking at the essentials and imperatives in regards to or in relation to the Human- sure you could have a little head movement, not be perfectly balanced like the machine, maybe have a little variation in clubhead travel i.e. rhythm but as long as you have the imperatives you'll be Golden. So the Machine is perfect on all six items- Stationary Head, Balance, Rhythm, A "Flat" left wrist, a lag pressure point, straight plane line. But in the Human application- the essentials can be off a little as long as you are accomplishing the imperatives. But all six are the important characteristics of the Machine.

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Old 11-18-2006, 04:38 PM
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Some interesting posts.

Don't know why it is imperatives vs essentials.

Do know that in version 2 and 3 it had
The 5 Imperatives showed up in the 2nd Edition:

1) Stationary Head

2) Balance

3) Rhythm

4) Flat Left Wrist

5) Clubhead Lag

Then in the fourth it became the first 3 as essentials and the last two plus the addition of the plane line as the 3 imperatives.

In fact somewhere I read that there was actually 8 imperatives back then.

The logic presented machine vs human, has some potential maybe.
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I would say it all flows from 1-L. So in 2-0 under essentials and imperatives you've got to keep the Machine concept and everything he talks about in 1-L in reference. The Essentials and Imperatives in 2-0 is really the segway - he's building the bridge- that is - he is referencing, reviewing, and summarizing the Machine Concept- what a precision stroke includes based on the 1-L The Machine Concept and then the first paragraph after the Basic Essentials and Basic Imperatives leads us from the Chapter 1-L Machine concept right into the science- and the geometrical relationships. So based on this Machine Concept- here are the scientific application and verification and elaboration of that Machine Concept- it's his logical progression.

So really the essentials and the imperatives covers all 21 items in 1-L- you could essentially check them all off the list with those six items. Now, looking at the essentials and imperatives in regards to or in relation to the Human- sure you could have a little head movement, not be perfectly balanced like the machine, maybe have a little variation in clubhead travel i.e. rhythm but as long as you have the imperatives you'll be Golden. So the Machine is perfect on all six items- Stationary Head, Balance, Rhythm, A "Flat" left wrist, a lag pressure point, straight plane line. But in the Human application- the essentials can be off a little as long as you are accomplishing the imperatives. But all six are the important characteristics of the Machine.
Good post, Mike. I want to chew on this a little more, but at first glance this makes perfect sense to me.

I think Homer eludes to the human essentials vs. machine imperatives distinction in 1-L when he talks about balance and force.

Originally Posted by Homer 1-L
In every athletic activity, success seems to be unquestionably proportional to the player's sense of balance and force - whether innate or acquired. Off-balance force is notoriously erratic. The mechanical device has no balance problem but the human machine does, and mastery of the Pivot (Zone #1) is so essential for good Golf.
Given that premise, it makes clearer (to me) the reason why the impertives would be more important even though all 6 would be required for the perfect machine. If one bends thier left wrist, there's not much the human part of the machine can do to "save" or compensate, where-as if one isn't perfectly balanced or moves thier head (these are closely related IMO), they can make the necessary compensations. It's not perfect, but certainly managable until more precision can be built into one's machine. I realize this is essentially what you said in your post, but that human vs. machine distinction does help me get what Homer might have been thinking when defining those 6 items.
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I think that Balance and Rhythm are so important they might as well be Imparative.

I guess when it comes down to it tho...the ball only knows the 3 Imparatives.
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