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Old 11-24-2006, 01:18 AM
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Procedural Ease
Originally Posted by Trane
Well to me, when I shoot a jump shot, I think of keeping my righht forearm vertical, my right hand fully spread out, bend down into the ground and fire....fire for me is jump from my chest to my legs, then my toes and then my arms, hands, and then fingers for a nice smooth roll and follow-thru.

My aiming point is either the front or back of the rim or the glass.

The more I think about it, the jump shot starts with the ball arm power package assemble going downward, then it loads the lag and fires the hand into their spot where they can release.

Thats hands controlled pivot, right? Thats what we do in golf in this same method...let the hands take the body where it needs to be. Your right about the power thing, I was trying to relate it to me. I can develope centrifugal force as my hips lead going down, but when it doesn't lead, even though I'm swinging, my right arms wants to hit!
Thats right Trane,

We are talking about Procedural Ease to sink the shot and not power sources in this topic.

As to diagnose whether you are hitting or swinging - without the aid of a video clip - can you answer the following questions? This is the triage!

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Are you flexible, meaning can you get your hands on plane to above your right shoulder at the Top?

Do you think you are fast like say a speedboat or powerful like a tugboat?

Would you describe your stroke as more 'around' as opposed to more 'up and down'?

As you are reaching impact, do you feel as if you are cracking a whip or driving a spike into the ground?

Do you just let 'it' happen and hold on or are you consciously driving 'something' into the ground?

In the backstroke, do you feel like you are carrying a rock back or whirling a bucket of water back?
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Old 11-24-2006, 02:24 AM
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As long as the hands control by designing the pivot, it is a hands are in charge. The pivot works for the hands to do ONE thing- deliever the hands so the clubhead Impacts the ball.

It is a pivot control hands if the pivot is merely jerking the hands without a specific swing path- no esstentials.

Hands are clamps with pressure points that monitor what the clubhead and clubface are doing or rather" IS" doing.
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Old 11-24-2006, 11:04 AM
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Looking at your hitting/swinging questions, I would have to say I swing. My swing has come a long way in a very short amount of time. And BTW that is from studying this wonderful website, posting, studying the yellow book, and spending lots of time on the driving range.

I let my ball flight, divots, clubface mark, watching the spin of the ball when it lands tell me how I'm doing. I use dowells, a flashlight tool that I built with 2 mini mag lights and schedule 20 PVC piping where I have the lights on both ends to help check my plane. I look, look, look at my mirrors in the house so much my wife thinks "he's so vain....he probably think this golfswings about him...he's so vain"

I am constantly working on something so I can get into my impact alignments and continue down the base of the plane line. I work on the finish swivel.

The mind, at least mine, can't work on all of this at once, but over the last 2 months I really like my progress. Maybe, if I had an AI looking at my swing I could have avoided some of the deadends or redirect my energies more efficiently. However, I believe this approach has really helped me understand more. I believe TGM is the best out there and it amazes me everyday how Homer came up with this stuff using, laws, geometry, and physics and covered so much other very small exact components that can mean so much!!

So, Compda, I feel I do swing. However, like I have mentioned if I don't clear my right hip, if I my power package is going around my body and my hips stop moving, & if I run out of right arm, I can't swing effectively in terms of sending the ball where I am trying to send it. If my hips stop moving and are simply a reaction, then I can't create the lag pressure on the #4 pressure point and I lose an entire accumulator. Now I will have only #2 & #3. I want a 3 barrell (#4, #2, & #3).

The problems are loss of distance from slightly fat shots, flips to the left, bent plane lines, and even slices. So for today, I am going to work on my right hip movement at the very top at the range today.

Sorry for the long post, but I look forward to yall's responses to my interpretation of TGM and my approach.
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Old 11-27-2006, 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Trane
Looking at your hitting/swinging questions, I would have to say I swing. My swing has come a long way in a very short amount of time. And BTW that is from studying this wonderful website, posting, studying the yellow book, and spending lots of time on the driving range.

I let my ball flight, divots, clubface mark, watching the spin of the ball when it lands tell me how I'm doing. I use dowells, a flashlight tool that I built with 2 mini mag lights and schedule 20 PVC piping where I have the lights on both ends to help check my plane. I look, look, look at my mirrors in the house so much my wife thinks "he's so vain....he probably think this golfswings about him...he's so vain"

I am constantly working on something so I can get into my impact alignments and continue down the base of the plane line. I work on the finish swivel.

The mind, at least mine, can't work on all of this at once, but over the last 2 months I really like my progress. Maybe, if I had an AI looking at my swing I could have avoided some of the deadends or redirect my energies more efficiently. However, I believe this approach has really helped me understand more. I believe TGM is the best out there and it amazes me everyday how Homer came up with this stuff using, laws, geometry, and physics and covered so much other very small exact components that can mean so much!!

So, Compda, I feel I do swing. However, like I have mentioned if I don't clear my right hip, if I my power package is going around my body and my hips stop moving, & if I run out of right arm, I can't swing effectively in terms of sending the ball where I am trying to send it. If my hips stop moving and are simply a reaction, then I can't create the lag pressure on the #4 pressure point and I lose an entire accumulator. Now I will have only #2 & #3. I want a 3 barrell (#4, #2, & #3).

The problems are loss of distance from slightly fat shots, flips to the left, bent plane lines, and even slices. So for today, I am going to work on my right hip movement at the very top at the range today.

Sorry for the long post, but I look forward to yall's responses to my interpretation of TGM and my approach.
Trane,

Without video evidence and based on what you have said thus far, it seems to me you are on the right track...

There is an AI based in Texas by the name of Chuck Cook (GSED). Next door to you in Arizona, there are 2 by the names of Denny Alberts (GSEB) and Greg Smith (GSEM).

I have had the pleasure of meeting and talking to the last two gentlemen and recommend their expertise with no reservations.
Please PM me should you need their contact details.
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