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Old 11-29-2006, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by daniell
Hi DG/ChangeMySwing,

I have been watching the TT's Australian series and video letters many times, I did not realise it until yesterday. The swing sequense (2) to (3), is just a lifting of the right forearm with very little fanning action. Looks like a purely bicep action. Just lift it.

Of course the reverse action is also true, just karate chop down. Both series and video are the same if we look carefully.

Is it correct?

cheers,

daniel

Remember the 10 sequence drill is just a drill. After you complete the 1 to 2 step in the sequence...study what happens to the right forearm as you cock the right elbow???
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Old 11-29-2006, 05:14 AM
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DG,

Three things happens when I cock the right elbow:

(1) Right forearm rotates anti-clockwise automatically;
(2) The left shoulder moves forward;
(3) the left knee moves forward and right hip moves back;

They occur almost automatically.

Am I on the right track?

thanks,

daniel
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Old 11-29-2006, 07:38 PM
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I've figured things out by reading several old posts, and had the chance to beat some balls today with much success.

I was banging my driver 285+ carry.

My efforts were spent on the following thing:

-- Pivot: getting the left side out of the way

-- RFP/ the folding back of the right wrist

-- The right forearm karate chop (seems to open the club face and prevent a heavy draw --hook--

-- Acquired Motion to ensure that I'm using a horizontal hinge.


How does TT' stroke pattern relate to the Maximum Participation Stroke???

I was releasing from the top of my swing and believe that I was generating max power with a sweep release. How is this possible?
I was taught that a sweep release should result in shots that are a club length shorter than using a snap release.
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Old 11-29-2006, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ChangeMySwing
I've figured things out by reading several old posts, and had the chance to beat some balls today with much success.

I was banging my driver 285+ carry.

My efforts were spent on the following thing:

-- Pivot: getting the left side out of the way

-- RFP/ the folding back of the right wrist

-- The right forearm karate chop (seems to open the club face and prevent a heavy draw --hook--

-- Acquired Motion to ensure that I'm using a horizontal hinge.


How does TT' stroke pattern relate to the Maximum Participation Stroke???

I was releasing from the top of my swing and believe that I was generating max power with a sweep release. How is this possible?
I was taught that a sweep release should result in shots that are a club length shorter than using a snap release.
Watch the Tomasello Letter 2 video for the answers...

DG
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Old 11-30-2006, 10:29 AM
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Simple!!
Just got back from Disney World a few days ago after having played the Magnolia Course at Walt Disney World (Home of the Funai tournament). The course is in great shape and it features some pretty challenging green complexes in terms of putting. Usually I can pretty much overpower courses from my traditional Blue Tees, but this was a pretty tough course due to the longish par 3s and brute force par 5s.

At any rate, I have been incubating the Tomasello Letter series...specifically Letter Series #2. I have been trying to reconcile this with a school I took from Martin Green several years ago as well as my lessons with Yoda. Martin Green is based at the Hombre club in Florida and is a protege of Peter Croker. He has an absolutly beautiful swing and could really crank the ball. Martin had me "throwing" the club, but he had me focusing on the pressure in my fingers and that worked sometimes, but also lead me into trouble other times (throwaway). I think I really just didn't "get it" though. However, through this forum and my lessons with Lynn, I really began to understand how the hands, arms, and club form the flying wedges.

At any rate, the Tomasello description of the right arm motion - and swing for that matter - is so simple that it is absolutely mind boggling! I practiced for about 2 weeks in my basement prior to leaving (no range time) and hit some of the longest and straightest drives in my lifetime while at Disney while chalking up one of my best scores ever. I am talking monster drives and I was already pretty strong off the tee to begin with.

I also found it helpful to eliminate all thoughts of lateral motion in my swing because I come from both a baseball and tennis background. I never felt as if I was "stepping into a pitch" as is commonly taught to youngsters and on the tennis court I could pound shots all day long from the baseline without thoughts of weightshift and all that jazz . My right forearm keyed the motion and I could smash the ball into oblivion.

So to make a long story short, I really feel like my right arm is controlling my swing and it moves DOWN the plane in a karate chopping motion just as Tomasello recommends. The hips rotate without swaying (checkout the 8board or get a pair of swivel disks from Peter Croker or also check out the swivel disks at exertools) and I really feel like I am building on my earlier athleticism.

Thoughts?

E.
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Old 11-30-2006, 01:17 PM
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new focus.

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Old 12-03-2006, 01:40 AM
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Hi DukeNasty,

I was at Mark Evershed's website and chance upon his baseball drill. My god, just forgetting everything and using a baseball swing on an incline plane is working wonders for me. It is a right arm action. And on the first day trying out the drill, I began to hit some of my best shots ever, no more slices. And I found that I am one of those guys that cannot maintain a flat left wrist at the top.

Mark Evershed is Tom's student and he acknowledges it.

Also, in one audio between HK, Lynn and Tomesello, HK mentioned that the swing is a natural action and thus easier to learn than hitting. I am wondering now if he is refering to a baseball type swing on an inclined plane.

cheers,

daniel
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Old 12-03-2006, 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by DukeNasty
Just got back from Disney World a few days ago after having played the Magnolia Course at Walt Disney World (Home of the Funai tournament). The course is in great shape and it features some pretty challenging green complexes in terms of putting. Usually I can pretty much overpower courses from my traditional Blue Tees, but this was a pretty tough course due to the longish par 3s and brute force par 5s.

At any rate, I have been incubating the Tomasello Letter series...specifically Letter Series #2. I have been trying to reconcile this with a school I took from Martin Green several years ago as well as my lessons with Yoda. Martin Green is based at the Hombre club in Florida and is a protege of Peter Croker. He has an absolutly beautiful swing and could really crank the ball. Martin had me "throwing" the club, but he had me focusing on the pressure in my fingers and that worked sometimes, but also lead me into trouble other times (throwaway). I think I really just didn't "get it" though. However, through this forum and my lessons with Lynn, I really began to understand how the hands, arms, and club form the flying wedges.

At any rate, the Tomasello description of the right arm motion - and swing for that matter - is so simple that it is absolutely mind boggling! I practiced for about 2 weeks in my basement prior to leaving (no range time) and hit some of the longest and straightest drives in my lifetime while at Disney while chalking up one of my best scores ever. I am talking monster drives and I was already pretty strong off the tee to begin with.

I also found it helpful to eliminate all thoughts of lateral motion in my swing because I come from both a baseball and tennis background. I never felt as if I was "stepping into a pitch" as is commonly taught to youngsters and on the tennis court I could pound shots all day long from the baseline without thoughts of weightshift and all that jazz . My right forearm keyed the motion and I could smash the ball into oblivion.

So to make a long story short, I really feel like my right arm is controlling my swing and it moves DOWN the plane in a karate chopping motion just as Tomasello recommends. The hips rotate without swaying (checkout the 8board or get a pair of swivel disks from Peter Croker or also check out the swivel disks at exertools) and I really feel like I am building on my earlier athleticism.

Thoughts?

E.
Great to hear the progress some of the forum members are experiencing with the Magic of the Right Forearm...

Last Saturday I experienced the same long and straight drives...like frickin Magic.

DG
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