And if I'm correct, Hogan visited Bertholy when he was rebuilding his swing to get rid of his hook.
Matt,
This is the first I've heard of this. I trained personally under Paul Bertholy in 1982 and can tell you he was not one to keep his lamp under the bushel basket. In fact, his penchant for self-promotion was the stuff of legend. He told me that he had worked with the junior Jack Nicklaus and was later disappointed that he was not credited with at least some of Jack's success. And, I have in my files literally hundreds of Paul's letters of recommendation from satisfied students. But as far as Ben Hogan goes...not a peep from Paul.
Do you know of an authoritative source for this information?
Everyone of those drives hit by Hogan landed in the water within a few feet of each other. I attended a 3-day, 12 hours per day, golf symposium in January with Mac O'Grady (who relies heavily on TGM) and we watched this video at the end of the last day. Mac is a HUGE Hogan fan (as well as Snead).
Lynn,
I'm not sure where I heard this. I don't know if it is true or not...probably not. If it was in '82 that you worked with him, it would have definantly been before that if Hogan saw him when he rebuilt his swing. Since Bertholy didn't mention it, it probably didn't happen.
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Lynn,
Would it have, by any chance, been Moe Norman that worked with Bertholy some? Maybe this is who I'm thinking of?
Since you worked with Paul, what was your take on him and what he taught? Did he know Homer or have any TGM experience?
Lynn,
I'm not sure where I heard this. I don't know if it is true or not...probably not. If it was in '82 that you worked with him, it would have definantly been before that if Hogan saw him when he rebuilt his swing. Since Bertholy didn't mention it, it probably didn't happen.
EDIT:
Lynn,
Would it have, by any chance, been Moe Norman that worked with Bertholy some? Maybe this is who I'm thinking of?
Since you worked with Paul, what was your take on him and what he taught? Did he know Homer or have any TGM experience?
Actaully I have heard others on other forums make this claim, but no one has been able to offer any proof. It was always heard from someone who heard it from someone.
Everyone of those drives hit by Hogan landed in the water within a few feet of each other. I attended a 3-day, 12 hours per day, golf symposium in January with Mac O'Grady (who relies heavily on TGM) and we watched this video at the end of the last day. Mac is a HUGE Hogan fan (as well as Snead).
Bruce
Welcome aboard, Bruce. And thanks for this first post. Keep'em coming!
Would it have, by any chance, been Moe Norman that worked with Bertholy some? Maybe this is who I'm thinking of?
Since you worked with Paul, what was your take on him and what he taught? Did he know Homer or have any TGM experience?
Moe liked Bertholy's book and used some of its terminolgy. For example, he referred to his Right Hand as the Claw. He also liked to talk in terms of "how well I hit my positions." I do not know if he ever met Paul, but even if he did, I would be surprised if they worked on his swing together.
Regarding TGM, Paul never met Homer Kelley nor did he have any TGM exposure.
As far as my 'personal take,' I wrote several posts on Brian Manzella's site (www.brianmanzella.com where I post as holenone) and perhaps on Chuck's (www.chuckevansgolf.com). I'm sure a search on my archives would produce them rather quickly.
I noticed Hogan had a closed stance. What I couldn't tell was how he aligned his shoulders to the target line.
I hit some balls on the range with a similar stance and actually played a round of golf that way today. I kept my shoulders square, but pulled the right foot back similar to what he does in this video.
Having the right foot back seemed to make it really easy to take the club back on an inside and flat plane....which seems to feel most natural to me. To my surprise, I did not hit a bunch of hooks, in fact I think I only hit one hook and it was purely from flipping my hands at the bottom.
I'm just curious about the geometric reasons for why this set-up produced a ton of good shots for me today. I don't think I was making any compensations....just taking it back insided and flat and trying to come down on the same plane.
I noticed Hogan had a closed stance. What I couldn't tell was how he aligned his shoulders to the target line.
I hit some balls on the range with a similar stance and actually played a round of golf that way today. I kept my shoulders square, but pulled the right foot back similar to what he does in this video.
Having the right foot back seemed to make it really easy to take the club back on an inside and flat plane....which seems to feel most natural to me. To my surprise, I did not hit a bunch of hooks, in fact I think I only hit one hook and it was purely from flipping my hands at the bottom.
I'm just curious about the geometric reasons for why this set-up produced a ton of good shots for me today. I don't think I was making any compensations....just taking it back insided and flat and trying to come down on the same plane.
Stance Line does not effect Plane or Target Line. (2-J-2)
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