To me the pivot position of the lady in the TGM book looks similar to the pivot described in the book "search for the perfect swing" I believe it is in chapter 13, and also looks like what mike austin advocates in his dvd;s. So is the head between the feet tripod center pivot the same as the compound pivot advocated by the other two resources?
thanks guys
To me the pivot position of the lady in the TGM book looks similar to the pivot described in the book "search for the perfect swing" I believe it is in chapter 13, and also looks like what mike austin advocates in his dvd;s. So is the head between the feet tripod center pivot the same as the compound pivot advocated by the other two resources?
thanks guys
Not sure about the other two sources, shootin4par, but it is definitely similar to this:
Forgive the redundancy from a post I made two days ago, but this is an important video: It clearly illustrates the 'Head-between-the-Feet' serving as the Pivot Swing Center. The concept is given short shrift in some quarters, but the cross-hairs in the first three seconds of the video tell the tale...
It can be done and is being done at the top levels of the game.
I still see the c7 as the pivot center but rather then turning around the whole spine like a bottle rocket I see the spine as a pendulum with the weight being at the base, just about 2 inches deep of the belly button. and the c7 as being the pivot point This will keep the head much more still so to speak, and in some swings may actually have it move a little forward in the backswing,. In the compound pivot the first thing to happen in the swing is the weight shift to the right/rear, which keeps the c7 in the same spot but moves the base/bottom of the spine. IN the bottle rocket pivot it turns the backswing into a pivot where it becomes a door on three hinges so to speak, then in the downswing you have to go from three hinges to the c7 pivot center.. In the compound, which looks very similar to the pivot you are talking about, the swing center and ONLY pivot point is established on the back swing and maintained on the downswing. IN the barn door/bottle rocket you have to change during swing which seems like more work. I understand the debate you mention and I no longer like to argue about the golfswing but rather discuss, too many other things in life to raise my blood pressure.
here is a picture/illustration http://www.mikeaustin.de/compound-pivot.html
so why do I ask these questions and bring them here?
because since the pivot proffered here is close or the same to the pivot I want to try, the compound, I want to figure out how I can shift my weight back in the back swing as my first move, lagging club head takeaway, without reverse pivoting or swaying
I still see the c7 as the pivot center but rather then turning around the whole spine like a bottle rocket I see the spine as a pendulum with the weight being at the base, just about 2 inches deep of the belly button. and the c7 as being the pivot point This will keep the head much more still so to speak, and in some swings may actually have it move a little forward in the backswing,. In the compound pivot the first thing to happen in the swing is the weight shift to the right/rear, which keeps the c7 in the same spot but moves the base/bottom of the spine. IN the bottle rocket pivot it turns the backswing into a pivot where it becomes a door on three hinges so to speak, then in the downswing you have to go from three hinges to the c7 pivot center.. In the compound, which looks very similar to the pivot you are talking about, the swing center and ONLY pivot point is established on the back swing and maintained on the downswing. IN the barn door/bottle rocket you have to change during swing which seems like more work. I understand the debate you mention and I no longer like to argue about the golfswing but rather discuss, too many other things in life to raise my blood pressure.
here is a picture/illustration http://www.mikeaustin.de/compound-pivot.html
so why do I ask these questions and bring them here?
because since the pivot proffered here is close or the same to the pivot I want to try, the compound, I want to figure out how I can shift my weight back in the back swing as my first move, lagging club head takeaway, without reverse pivoting or swaying
C7 is the medical name for a section of the verterbea near the base of the neck. Austin likes to use that as a post to swing the hips from- the compound pivot in his words.
TGM does not think about positions of body parts but geometric lines and force applied on and along these lines.
The SPINE is NOT a bottle rocket- not for Austin or anyone. The spine re-adjusts itself throughout the stroke- the spine is not straight-(see Skywalker posts on the spine). This is why the head can remain stationary under a remarkable and mis-understood spine. The barn door turn is the worst image anyone can have for a pivot. Austin once said that turning the hips moves the head off the ball- that is because he saw the other option as the barn door. That is a Ballard move aka Sway. The spine re-adjusts because the shoulders are independent from the hips.
TGM discribes several options for hip motioin and hip actions.
Tripod is not a set up for hip action but a part of the stroke that prevents sway and keeps the geometry of the circle intact.
I do understand that technically the spine is not a bottle rocket and that it has curves in it. Because the spine sits in the back of the body, the vague generalization of it being a bottle rocket is somewhat acceptable to me. The spine does not go through the center of the body like a rotisserie chicken.
but my main point is if people here agree with the compound pivot being pretty much the same as the pivot preffered here, how can I prevent swaying action?
I do understand that technically the spine is not a bottle rocket and that it has curves in it. Because the spine sits in the back of the body, the vague generalization of it being a bottle rocket is somewhat acceptable to me. The spine does not go through the center of the body like a rotisserie chicken.
but my main point is if people here agree with the compound pivot being pretty much the same as the pivot preffered here, how can I prevent swaying action?
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The compound pivot the way Austin says he does it is to stabilize the top at the Cf vertebrate and slide the hips like a pendulum from that top point. Slide then turn, slide then turn. The only problem is when you watch him swing; his first move is a turn- either as a pre-set of the hips at address or a small pre-set as he starts the club back. His hips move 45 degrees to the target line- not parallel. More of a turn, slide, slide, and turn.
When Austin said a turn makes you sway the head, he saw the shoulders move with the hips and place them over the right leg, swaying the head. NEVER turn the shoulders with the hips. The hips are independent from the shoulders, 7-14, the Hula Hula action. When you view the pivot with attached shoulders and hips the slide slide and turn action of Austin solves that problem. So if you sway, train this independent action.
But Homer in 10-14 and 10-15 has several ways to move the hips, so I don’t think everyone would agree that the compound pivot is just the general way to move them. The Austin pivot is I think is a free-wheeling 10-14-A and 10-15-A with a pre-turned hip at address, maybe closed to the plane line at address. Many like to use a delayed hip action that turns or slides and turns as they follow the shoulders then lead and power the down stroke. 10-14-B, and 10-15- B.
The spine- yes it is curved and because it is, moves in 3 dimensions during the pivot- adjusting and re-adjusting with the motion. The head stays centered between the legs not the spine. The spine is not a stick that allows the body to rotate symmetrically. If it did the head could never stay stationary- it would sway of the ball with any axis tilt.
thank you mike, I will reread it a few times to make sure I get the jist completely of what you took the time to write. I worked on a couple of drills today and seems that I got the sway better under control. Actually it was working pretty good and does not really take much thought. Just got to shift back like I am gettin ready to throw a ball.
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