Ben Doyle talks about the essential transportation for a swingers lag being the pivot. Doesn't a hitter also need transportation for his lag?
Thanks all for some great answers.
In retrospect, it appears to me that a case can be made that the correct answer to the specific question asked might very well be "no". The delivery of the hitter's power package to within punching distance of the ball, is supported by a forward move in the lower body. When the hitter applies his final thrust through the ball properly, he will automatically be far enough forward in his stance, so that there is no specific need for additional transportation for a hitter.
Actually after much more time spent practicing loading and sustaining my lag, I reject my prior post as being incorrect. I have now returned to my initial statement that began this thread with one change. I initially said "downswing waggle", and what I meant was "startdown waggle". Based on my current practice, it seems to me that the startdown waggle represents critical transportation aiding the delivery of a hitter's lag to lowpoint.
If someone disagrees with that statement, I hope they will share their comments?
Actually after much more time spent practicing loading and sustaining my lag, I reject my prior post as being incorrect. I have now returned to my initial statement that began this thread with one change. I initially said "downswing waggle", and what I meant was "startdown waggle". Based on my current practice, it seems to me that the startdown waggle represents critical transportation aiding the delivery of a hitter's lag to lowpoint.
If someone disagrees with that statement, I hope they will share their comments?
I think you are on it and for both Hitters and Swingers. If you don't start down DOWN PLANE you have thrown the club out of its proper orbit with your intended plane line and thus must make some compensatory move to get it back on plane or pay the price.
I think its HUGE and maybe even more so for Swingers.
"If the power you lag into impact is your precious cargo"
"If the power you lag into impact is your precious cargo, the pivot is the transportation vehicle that carries the goods for you throught the impact zone."
That's one terrific sentance which conveys alot of information. When I bought into Mike O's hand's driven, and therefore no pivot idea, I was driving my hands forward shortly after the initial "startdown" waggle section, because they were still way to far back. It seemed to work okay, but it didn't feel quite right.
Now I finally think I understand Ted Fort's slow "startdown waggle". It would seem that one reason for "slow" is to delay the right arm thrust until the pivot has brought the right arm farther forward. Btw, that sentance is part of the Bullet Points on page 121 of Bobby Clampett's wonderful " The Impact Zone" book. It is my second favorite source for learning about golf. In particular, its 2 chapters on Loading and lagging had been very helpful, and I am doing my best to further improve on that aspect of my swing. Thanks Bucket!
"If the power you lag into impact is your precious cargo, the pivot is
As Ted Fort suggested, I slowed down my startdown waggle a bit further and waited "until I was close enough to throw a punch". But I couldn't have figured out the right answer, until I was able to finally trust that that my "startdown waggle" combined with my "4 barreled hitting thrust" would provide a lag transportation system sufficient to "carry the goods for me through the impact zone".
By working harder on both loading the lag on the backswing, and also as my hands initially start down, in conjunction with the "startdown waggle", I have been able to load much better than before. The more important improvement was learning how to fine tune my lag delivery system. When I assumed that the hands provided the transportation for lag, my stroke was okay, but I couldn't sense a strong lag contribution. Now that I trust the startdown waggle and 4 barrel hitting thrust to transport the lag forward, it is clear that the amount of precious lag cargo is greatly increased.
The process of golfers at this forum helping other golfers better understand howthe golfing machine works, is positively wonderful. I simply would never have been able to effect the continuous progress I am making this year, without the help of many others, plus this wonderful website. Thanks Yoda, Ted and crew!!!
The process of golfers at this forum helping other golfers better understand howthe golfing machine works, is positively wonderful. I simply would never have been able to effect the continuous progress I am making this year, without the help of many others, plus this wonderful website. Thanks Yoda, Ted and crew!!!
You bet, I love it!
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
I've had (sometimes still) the same issues.
My warm up session before a round always starts with basic motion, going on to aquired motion and longer and longer hits with my pitching wedge, concentrating on delivery line and lag pressure. This gives me a good feel for lag pressure and tempo.
I suggest you try the same.
Before I had a tendency to go to the end instead of top, and then throw the lag away too early.
By the way: this place has taken my golf to another galaxy - I love it tooo
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