I do not think that Greg McHatton has an active right arm. Whilst he is obviously close to Ben Doyle, he does not describe a active accumulator 1 motion on his videos. He does a drill where he swings the club into the side of a steep hill - when he does it right the clubhead bounces back off the hill because there is nothing in his right hand to drive it forwards... the clubhead hits an immoveable object and has no active force driving it forwards... Greg is all CF.
I agree completely with golfbulldog. McHatton has about as much right arm bend at impact as Hogan. That seems to indicate it is not active.
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
Also , its is written 7-3 that it is mandatory for swinging and hitting ,not only hands or shaft the right forearm must be driven or thrown into impact. He did not say for HITTING must be driven or swinging must be thrown. I guess it is a choice.
I also think, the way the right forearm is aligned for swinging, it pulls the left arm like a piece of string and support the secondary . That type of assembly allows for CF throwout. Adding a Drive in that assembly is perfectly acceptable, regardless of swinging or hitting , as explained by TT.
So we got 2 ways . and still being able to do a 4 Barrell swing since the right is actively driving . Though Homer used to say there is no 4 barrel swing.. BUT IMHO, at that context of time he feel he need to explain that way or think there isn't one.
FOR a HIT, the left arm is a wall, and the right forearm is actively driving via primary assembly , there is less CF throwout. Notice i say less.
Because Anyhow, the left can only pull, the right can only push. Pull causes throwout, push is drive.
Let me know what you think, Thank you
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The left can push (in "hitting") and the right can pull (in "swinging"), as well.
__________________ Yani Tseng, Go! Go! Go! Yani Tseng Did It Again! YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
"Lag" is the secret of golf, passion is the secret of life.
Think as a golfer, execute like a robot.
Rotate, twist, spin, turn. Bend the shaft.
I bought Homer's first book and all the subsequent ones also. I took a lesson from him and Ben Doyle in 1969 in Seattle. Later had lunch with Homer from about about 1974 until he died. Below is how he really felt. He expected his students to take his work to another level.
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This is a 5-barrel stroke with pp#5. Is it a swing or a hit?
Last edited by Bagger Lance : 07-01-2007 at 11:17 PM.
As far as I can tell only the Right Arm and Shoulder are in a position to Push.
In hitting, the left hand is the "fulcrum", whereas the right is the "force" (and the club is the "weight")-class III Lever, in which the "fulcrum" needs to be pushed against (as well) in order for the "force" to be applied.
In hitting, the right hand can be the "fulcrum", whereas the left be the "force" (and the club is the "weight")-class I Lever, in which the "fulcrum (the right hand)" needs to be pushed against (as well) in order for the "force (the left hand)" to be applied.
In either case, the left hand/side needs to "push" (while being pulled/draged by the pivot).
__________________ Yani Tseng, Go! Go! Go! Yani Tseng Did It Again! YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
"Lag" is the secret of golf, passion is the secret of life.
Think as a golfer, execute like a robot.
Rotate, twist, spin, turn. Bend the shaft.
In hitting, the right hand can be the "fulcrum", whereas the left be the "force" (and the club is the "weight")-class I Lever, in which the "fulcrum (the right hand)" needs to be pushed against (as well) in order for the "force (the left hand)" to be applied.
In either case, the left hand/side needs to "push" (while being pulled/draged by the pivot).
I can't even visualize this for hitting unless we are talking about a left handed golfer.
First - Only a form III lever is used in the golf stroke. Look at a form 1 lever (2-L) and tell me how this is done. Also take a look at 6-A-2 for further clarification.
Second - Only the right arm is in a position to push.
Finally - The left side contribution to muscle power is so minimal, it isn't even considered in the power package and even pivot power isn't necessary for hitting. There is no "left hand" force in hitting.
I know you are trying to enlighten us BTS, but like 6B mentioned: "There is a lot of seems as if in this thread".
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Last edited by Bagger Lance : 07-02-2007 at 11:39 AM.
In hitting, the left hand is the "fulcrum", whereas the right is the "force" (and the club is the "weight")-class III Lever, in which the "fulcrum" needs to be pushed against (as well) in order for the "force" to be applied.
In hitting, the right hand can be the "fulcrum", whereas the left be the "force" (and the club is the "weight")-class I Lever, in which the "fulcrum (the right hand)" needs to be pushed against (as well) in order for the "force (the left hand)" to be applied.
In either case, the left hand/side needs to "push" (while being pulled/draged by the pivot).
In Hitting, we are accelerating the Primary Lever Assembly which has a Form III lever with the Fulcrum at the Left Shoulder, not the left hand. When the Fulcrum is in the Left Wrist the Weight is now in the Clubhead an additiional Form III lever used normally in Swinging; accelerating the Secondary Lever Assembly. Reference 2-L, 6-A-2, and 6-A-3 and let me know how your application fits into TGM.
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