Doesn't Utley have a pivot in his stroke? The shoulders turn.
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I think you are correct. David Tom's has a fairly obvious pivot with his shoulders in putting, although he is not Utley trained, as far as I know.
One can even putt with a subtle turn of the left hip, with the weight on the left heel. This would be a form of ARC PUTTING. Try it...but keep your Rhythm.
What does Homer mean when he writes in 7-13 (7th ed), "Being part of the Power Package, as well as the Pivot, the Shoulder motion does not necessarily violate a Zero Pivot requirement."?
In a putting stroke, if I feel like PP#4 (shoulder movement) drives the motion while I monitor the hands, am I making a pivot stroke? If the shoulders were responding to moving my hands would I not be making a pivot?
Last night, on the British Open highlights, I saw Daly hit a putt from something like 60 yards on one of the huge doudle greens at St. Andrews. He said it was the hardest he swung the whole day. Other than such extreme lengths, wouldn't we want to minimize factors that increase force and concentrate on factors that increase precision?
Henny what hes saying is that moving the shoulders does NOT mean you are pivoting. You can have a stroke with no pivot at all but you could still move the shoulders.
The shoulders are part of the power package ie they form the second side of the triangle (6-A-1).
This is why the page (7-13) is titled dual agent as the shoulders are part of the power package (Zone #2 (9-2)) and part of the pivot (Zone #1 (9-1)).
Take a look at pictures 10-12-C#1, 10-12-C#2 this is a zero pivot and look how much Diane has turned her shoulders.!
Acquired motion (12-5-2) "...zero to minimal pivot...and any needed shoulder turn"
Sounds to me like youre talking about using a shoulder only stroke for your putting as is common on tour. Take a look at this thread for more discussion.
Henny what hes saying is that moving the shoulders does NOT mean you are pivoting. You can have a stroke with no pivot at all but you could still move the shoulders.
The shoulders are part of the power package ie they form the second side of the triangle (6-A-1).
This is why the page (7-13) is titled dual agent as the shoulders are part of the power package (Zone #2 (9-2)) and part of the pivot (Zone #1 (9-1)).
Take a look at pictures 10-12-C#1, 10-12-C#2 this is a zero pivot and look how much Diane has turned her shoulders.!
Acquired motion (12-5-2) "...zero to minimal pivot...and any needed shoulder turn"
Sounds to me like youre talking about using a shoulder only stroke for your putting as is common on tour. Take a look at this thread for more discussion.
Your post confirms how I read it. I do putt with a tour-style action, but I definitely feel lag. The linked thread is out of my depth, so I'm going back to my hole on this one.