From the beginning, Retief Goosen has been a Right Arm Swinger.
His post-Impact Left Wrist alignment (Bent) has been intolerable to some and derided by others. Yet, he has won two United States Open Championships.
Right Arm Swing.
Left Arm Swing.
Right Arm Hit.
It only really matters when you do it for a living.
I don't think so.
Yes, Retief is a right arm swinger (a tour proven way to swing a golf club).....confirmed by Ian Baker-Finch while analyzing Retief's swing in slow-motion on a ABC golf telecast...So is Ernie Els while were at it. Just read his classic swing golf book....he sounds like Tomasello. The Magic of the Right Forearm....the Magic Move.
After watching Retief's golf swing in slow motion on youtube....I believe if he knew the three imperatives (especially clubhead lag pressure point and how it relates to the straight plane line, that concept is huge) he would go to the next level of consistency.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 01-11-2008 at 02:23 AM.
I see Retief as a swinger. Check this link on youtube:
(you can hit pause/play - pause/play to slow it down more)
To me - it appears he is pulling the club from the end, versus using his shoulder as a backstop and driving his right forearm. At :31 seconds is a great shot of longitudinal acceleration - shaft bent down, etc.
Check out this with Trevino:
Start around 19 seconds but watch (and pause/play) at 22 seconds (not sure who posted the vid, but they reference angled hinging):
To me, it looks like he uses his right shoulder as a backstop - then drives his shoulder/right forearm downplane and actually looks like his right forearm chases the ball.....in fact, he talks about turning in the barrel - and a closed clubface, etc. Great video - priceless.
Just my perspective.
Hinging, in itself, occurs during the impact interval - per 7-10.
I personally do not see Retief as right arm swinging - to me he looks like a manipulated swinger. Appears shoulder turn takeaway, blah blah blah.
As far as impact - I have still at my house. Yes, his post impact is funky - crazy really. But, having seen him 4 times in person, and video - he hits down. I mean bigtime down. Doesnt look like it in the video, but standing in front of him is a different perspective.
One last thought: His post impact flip seems to be caused by his left elbow bending outwards, towards the target - I would think there is a correlation there........
Tomasello also use to refer to as swinging too. But he uncocked the right elbow from the top through the right forearm per the Magic of the Right Forearm. Powerful swinger that Tomasello.
I have video of Tomasello swinging a club when Tommy was in top form (1987).....his swing was as smooth and powerful as Els and Tommy was approximately 63 years old.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 01-11-2008 at 08:42 AM.
To truly be a right arm swinger doesn't the right elbow move past the right hip before contact? Which presents another question - do we pull with the right side or the left side when swinging?
It may just be me, but this doesn't tell ME much.
It may be the bad camera angle,but the notes I would question-Goosen is noticeably steeper on his down stroke?
I never saw it when he was based in England.
It may just be me, but this doesn't tell ME much.
It may be the bad camera angle,but the notes I would question-Goosen is noticeably steeper on his down stroke?
I never saw it when he was based in England.
Good call. That was an erroneous analysis based on a bad camera angle. The correct camera angle would show him right on plane on the downswing.
To truly be a right arm swinger doesn't the right elbow move past the right hip before contact? Which presents another question - do we pull with the right side or the left side when swinging?
The above is open for debate....I have Tomasello on video teaching a student...and Tommy asks the student what are you going to start the club down with....the student's response.....the muscles of both forearms. When I studied with Tommy I believe it was all right forearm. I have 8 hours of my instruction with him on audio cassette....1/3 of the total time instruction time with Tommy. I believe the whipcracking reference that Tomasello mentioned might be the muscles of both forearms move to start the club down. I'm still listening to my tapes. On the Australia videos we have Tomasello teaching the two forearm startdown, but primarily with the right forearm. But Tommy always taught the uncocking of the right forearm from the top. I have references of that from 1987 through 1993.
The forearm answer is... you can use all three combinations for swinging (Watched Tommy's 1987 teaching video, he said you could use all three combinations, what a revelation). Left forearm only, Right Forearm only, or both. Reference Tommy's Chapter series #5 video on power...when Tommy talks about regulating power for the shot at hand. It's up to you the golfer to decide.
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